4-month-old puppy hard to manage at home

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Hi everyone,

I'm back for some advice about my little Ziggy, a beautiful golden retriever who's four months old now. For those who read my previous post, he's the dog living in Brazil who caught canine coronavirus and wasn't allowed out until his full course of vaccinations was finished.

Following your messages (thanks!), I decided to start taking him for walks before his jabs were finished. He's due his last vaccine at the end of the month, so the worry will be over soon, but in the meantime, I’m taking him out around the local area 3 or 4 times a day (we live in a flat but there's plenty of green space and wasteland nearby) and it’s going really well. He stays on the lead because of the roads and other dogs (I’m avoiding close contact as a precaution until his final jab), but he gets to roam free for about 40 minutes once a day in a specific spot (that’s how I'm starting to work on his recall).

Ziggy is brilliant with so many things; he's good on the lead, very playful, very affectionate, loves people and wants to play with everyone. We went on a car journey and he was in his harness on the back seat next to our little boy (who's 4) and he was an absolute star. At night he sleeps through and waits for me to wake up, he’s stopped doing poos in the house and waits for his walks (wee is a work in progress, but we'll get there).

On the other hand, things are a bit tricky during the day at home: even after a long walk and plenty of off-lead play, the minute we get back he’s a nightmare. He jumps on the tables and shelves, tries to grab anything and everything, eats the plants, and constantly pesters me to play. If I don't, he starts destroying things just to get my attention. I don't think it's a lack of exercise; he spends about two or three hours a day outside, and even indoors I play with him a lot, give him loads of cuddles, etc! I don't work many hours and I'm based at home, so I'm there all the time. It’s just that I can't stop playing for a second, or he'll wreck something.

My current solution is to do 'enforced naps': at set times, from 10am to 12pm and 2pm to 4pm, I shut him in the kitchen, and when I check back two minutes later he’s sleeping like a baby. Those are his nap times, but is it normal that I have to shut him away to get him to settle? It breaks my heart to keep him out of the main room when I can't keep an eye on him, but I can't just let him destroy the whole flat or be after him 24/7 trying to distract him!

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    Thanks for your replies! I've noticed my little rascal has settled down a bit lately. Maybe he’s starting to mature, plus I’m not stressing as much – at the first sign of any mischief, it's straight to the kitchen and that's that. When he's calm, he can stay out as long as he likes. Right now, I've got all the doors open and His Lordship is snoozing away quietly in his corner!

    @bandji I've thought quite a bit about the overstimulation issue and I think you’re right. Now I only play with him on the balcony or outside, I don’t feel guilty when he spends some time on his own, and I think things are definitely improving! Thanks :)

    @docline, I’m trying to find other dogs for him to play with, but unfortunately, in my area, they’re all either old or small, or the owners aren't too keen on letting their dogs play... I'll start taking him to the dog park more often. In any case, he’s brilliant with other dogs, not aggressive at all.

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    Do you really not know anyone with a dog who could come round for a bit each day to spend time with your little monster? Puppies aren't wired to be left alone. The situation he's in is actually completely unnatural. (It’s just as bad as it would be to deprive a human child of any contact with other people...)
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    Otherwise, for a middle ground between shutting him away and him being overstimulated, you could try putting a baby gate on the door of the room where you're keeping him.

    That way he can still see you without being able to "interfere". If he gets too worked up when he sees you, tell him "bed, bed" a few times, and if that doesn't work, then never mind—just shut the door!

    Over time, he should get used to seeing what you're up to and start to settle down more and more...

    Well, it's just an idea.

    In my opinion, the little lad has (perhaps) been overstimulated since you got him. Since he wasn't going out and you were playing with him loads, in his head it’s not a case of "outside = energy, inside = calm". It’s just madness inside and out! So it’s impossible for him to understand right now that his humans aren't "on call" and are refusing to play with him despite his best efforts...

    My little girl in the example I gave took a while to catch on (once I realised myself that I was doing too much with her), as she was used to going flat out all the time... Patience! Once he’s had his "quota" of walks and play (not that you should stop all his activities, mind!), then it's time to be calm, and that's that.

    I think it’s too early to say that Ziggy is hyperactive. And bear with him, puppies are just so full of beans!

    Mine was a little thing full of life and energy; things were proper hectic at home while she was finding her feet and growing up (and we obviously didn't stop all our activities...). She used to steal things to get my attention too—the sort of thing where she didn't care if she was getting told off or getting a fuss, as long as she had my attention!

    And yet she’s not hyperactive... nowadays she’s lovely and calm.... indoors, anyway! :')

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    Good evening, and first of all, thank you so much for your replies! @kikaah, yes, I'm starting to think the same — it's like with children, sometimes you just have to force them to rest. As for keeping him occupied, he's got loads of toys: a Kong we use all the time, a snuffle mat I use at every mealtime to hide his dry food, things to chew on (sticks from outside — I always bring back new ones), plastic bottles he plays with, etc. But he still fixates on things he's not allowed near: he absolutely has to grab stuff off the shelves to "force us to play," he goes for the ficus which is toxic to him, and he chews the living room rug... I'm going to try buying him some proper shop-bought chews, but it all adds up cost-wise. This behaviour mostly kicks in when I try to bring him into the living room to be with us — complete overexcitement, straight onto the shelves, every single time. I say no, I put him in the kitchen for 10 minutes to calm down, he comes back in — same thing. I've got to the point where I'm not letting him in the living room at all, but I imagine that's just making him even more wound up when he does go back in. I'm not sure. I also don't want him spending all his time outside of walks stuck in the kitchen, even if I am in there a lot. @bandji, yes, I really am trying to get him to rest, but it only happens when I force it (i.e., shut him in a room), or when we're out on a walk and he actually has to keep moving. Otherwise, indoors, if we're not in the kitchen, he never ever ever settles — not even sitting or lying down for five seconds without doing something. I hope he's not hyperactive, but he's my first puppy, so I genuinely can't tell what's normal. Either way, he's definitely not short of activity. Now that he's finished his vaccinations, we're right in the middle of toilet training — I take him out roughly every hour and a half so he can learn, always giving him time to sniff around and letting him off the lead. The little rascal still manages to wee indoors though, particularly when I've just told him off. I'm also hoping his destructive streak won't last... for now I'm telling myself it's teething, puppy energy... fingers crossed. @emla, that's exactly my worry — that he'll never learn to settle with us. But when I leave the door open, at the slightest stir he comes charging into the living room to nick something off the shelves... Whereas if he's shut in, he'll open one eye and go straight back to sleep. I'm trying to be firmer about the naughty behaviour and the overexcitement — you're right, I was sending the wrong message. But now I'm spending literally the whole day putting him back in his spot. I know it takes patience, but I do wonder — am I just teaching him to settle only when he's shut away with nothing to stimulate him?
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    A puppy definitely needs to learn how to settle down.

    When you get back from a walk, I’d put him straight in the kitchen. He needs to learn how to wind down and lower his excitement levels.

    However, he also needs to learn to settle while you're there, so maybe try opening the door once he’s properly settled or when he’s fallen asleep the first few times.

    When it comes to him misbehaving though, it’s a firm “no” and then straight to his bed. If you try to distract him with a toy, it sends the wrong message: “I destroy things, I get hyper = we play!” That just reinforces the behaviour, which might be why he ends up barking and jumping up afterwards.

    Whether it’s after a walk, after playing, or when he gets worked up for no reason, it should always be “bed”. Of course, he still gets his walks and you play with him, but he needs to understand that when it’s over, he goes to his bed and settles down quietly.

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    Oh, you little monster! 😁 Only joking — it's behaviour you see a lot in puppies (except for climbing on the furniture, that's a new one...)

    My girl was a ball of energy indoors when she was little. Your description of Ziggy's day-to-day sounds quite familiar, actually. We'd play loads and go on really long walks, and she still wanted more. My instinct was that all that energy meant she needed more activity.

    But I was wrong! Puppies need a lot of sleep. I started introducing "enforced" nap times, and she was so much better for it mentally — still full of energy, but calmer.

    So first of all, please don't feel guilty about putting him in the kitchen to sleep. You're doing the right thing. Rest is genuinely essential for a puppy, and you're also entitled to a break.

    When he suddenly pesters you for a game, the advice is to ignore him and then go back to him 5 minutes later to play — that way he learns that playtime starts and ends on your terms.

    Personally, once he hits a certain level of excitement, I'd ignore him the moment he starts jumping up at you and grabbing your clothes. That's what I did with my girl. We'd have a good rough-and-tumble often, but when it was time to stop, I'd just ignore her completely — no eye contact, nothing, even if she was tugging at my trousers. I'd just calmly say "no" once or twice, then nothing at all — just completely blank her and take my clothing back without so much as a glance. It took a while, but she got there in the end.

    As for the destructive behaviour, if his other needs are being met, I'm not entirely sure. I had a destructive dog as an adult, so a slightly different issue I suppose... I used to offer her things "in exchange." I tried loads of things that she'd demolish in seconds or simply wasn't interested in, before eventually finding a really tough soft toy that became her comfort toy. At first I constantly had to swap things for it, but after enough repetition, I'd just say "no — go get Rhino!" and off she'd trot to chew on Rhino.

    She also had sticks to chew on at home (proper sticks, found outside). Different dogs are drawn to different textures, so you need to figure out what he goes for — some are very into fabric (so old sheets plaited together are brilliant for a game of tug), others prefer something harder (like sticks), and some prefer something more food-based, like a stuffed Kong, veal tendons, or deer antlers. Others just love shredding things to bits!

    Old soft toys can work well too (though with a puppy, keep a close eye to make sure he's shredding but not swallowing the stuffing!).

    I'm sure others will have even better advice to add.

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    Settling him down for a nap is a great idea; it reminds me so much of toddlers who get grumpy and worked up because they’re overtired—they’re always much better after a bit of shut-eye ^^. Don’t wait until you’re at the end of your tether before you put him down for a rest. You can also give him something to keep himself occupied, like searching for his dry food or a long-lasting chew (a beef ear, a deer antler, etc.).
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    At the moment, my method when he's being naughty is to say "no" and redirect his attention with a toy (which means I end up playing with him for a few seconds, I know that’s not ideal...). But then he gets fixated on me, jumps up at me, tries to nip my hands and grabs my clothes. He reacts very badly to authority and growls or barks as soon as I raise my voice (I’ve read that this is quite common for Goldens), so I try to stay gentle, but that doesn't have much effect either and he’s starting to get big enough to actually hurt me. So it often ends, when my patience runs out, with him being shut in the kitchen, either for nap time or just for a few minutes so I can get on with what I need to do. I should add that he doesn't behave like this at all when we're outdoors.

    What do you think? Is this behaviour normal for his age? Is it down to a lack of socialising with other dogs (as soon as he's finished his jabs, I’m taking him to the park!)? Or is it because I’m not being firm enough?

    Thanks in advance for your advice!

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