My dog is terrified of children

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Hello fellow animal lovers!


I’m looking for some advice: my eight-month-old Australian Shepherd puppy is absolutely petrified of children. Last night, he even went as far as trying to bite one. I must admit, I'm gutted about it because I put so much effort into his training and he’s usually great with people (even if he is a bit shy, which is typical for the breed). So, as you can imagine, I gave him a real telling-off (he got a proper smack for the first time in his life) because I was so scared and I find that kind of behaviour totally unacceptable!

I know where his fear comes from; when he was a tiny puppy (and looked like a little teddy bear), kids would pounce on him quite roughly to stroke him (yes, not all parents teach their children that they need to ask before stroking a dog), so he’s ended up "traumatised".

My first instinct was to call my dog trainer, as the child in question is coming to visit this Saturday. She advised me to tell the child to ignore my dog unless he approaches her for cuddles; otherwise, she should just snub him.

But if he tries to bite her again, I’ve no idea how to react!


If any of you have dealt with this problem before and have any tips, I’d be so grateful for the sake of my lovely Atchoum!


Thanks in advance :)

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    Here’s a book that might help you train your dog.

    Have a look!

    http://go.deled15.neoaid.3.1tpe.net

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    Thanks for your reply, that’s very kind of you! I’m not worried, I trust my boy – he’ll soon work out if the kids like playing as much as he does ;)
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    I think your dog trainer’s advice is spot on: the child should keep their distance. After a while of acting as if the dog isn't there, you can encourage the dog to go and get a treat offered by the child while they’re sitting still, on a chair for example. Aussies hate situations where they aren't in control; but if you give him the chance to approach a child at his own pace, he'll soon realise they can be great playmates. Don't worry too much about his progress in the future 🙂
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    I’m not making excuses for hitting him; obviously, I feel guilty. Please don’t make me out to be some kind of monster, because I’m not. I find it unacceptable that my dog tried to bite a child, but I do sympathise with how scared he was! It breaks my heart that he’s that frightened, and that’s why I’m going to work on desensitising him slowly once we’re back home. I have a dog trainer, but even she tells me I’m doing a great job on my own with his training. When I first got him, he was scared of everything (cats, dogs, cars, bikes, etc.), but I took the time to do things properly and now I can take him anywhere without any issues—he’s even become quite bold. If I'm given the right tools, I’d prefer to work through it alone with my dog because nobody knows him better than I do and I want to go at his pace. That’s why, to begin with, I’ll keep our distance on walks while he’s on the lead, ensuring no children get close for the time being. Then, once I feel he’s more relaxed and up for it, we’ll gradually get closer, even if it takes several sessions before we're actually near anyone. :) I only want what’s best for my dog. I lashed out and hit him once; it happens. He tried to bite out of fear; it happens. We both had a rubbish reaction to an unfamiliar situation, but we’re going to make sure it never happens again!!
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    To be honest, everything you've said suggests that you’re forgiving yourself for the very thing you won't forgive your dog for. That’s what bothers me more than the fact you smacked him out of fear. I don't really understand this double standard in how you treat or view him.

    But the worst part is probably that you think it’s for his own good. How can anyone think such a thing?

    You say you know your reaction wasn’t the right one, yet you’d smack him again if he did it again. I’m struggling to wrap my head around that as well.

    I realise it’s far from easy to stay calm when faced with aggressive behaviour, whether it's from a dog or a human. I have to admit, seeing a dog get hit a few years ago, I found it incredibly hard to control myself. It was only when I saw my own dog at the time getting more and more aggressive towards that person that I realised my anger was becoming contagious and was only making matters worse. That’s what stopped me.

    Isaac Asimov, the famous sci-fi author, wrote that "violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." It’s easy to say, of course, but that doesn't make the quote any less relevant, and it’s something every dog owner (and everyone else!) should keep firmly in mind. Myself included.

    As for the rest, it’s a good thing your dog didn't take things further. It was likely what we call in the trade "distance-increasing aggression". However, it is quite strange that he didn't give any prior warning, even through calming signals.

    Otherwise, exposing your dog to children is a very good idea (without forcing contact, obviously). If he is indeed afraid of them, it’ll be a good way to start his desensitisation. On the other hand, if children start running around everywhere during the group walk, darting back and forth, screaming and so on, then habituation probably won't be possible.

    When working on desensitisation and habituation, the trigger needs to be as consistent as possible in its intensity—whether that’s in terms of distance, volume, or size.

    The lower the intensity of the fear-triggering stimulus, the faster the emotional response will decrease. Conversely, the higher the intensity of the trigger, the slower the progress will be.

    The frequency of exposure to a trigger also affects how quickly and effectively a dog habituates. At the same intensity level, the more frequently the trigger appears, the more the dog's emotional reaction will lessen.

    Anyway, professional help is clearly required for this kind of behavioural therapy.

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    Firstly, I’m well aware that my reaction wasn’t the right one when I gave him a hiding; otherwise, I wouldn't be questioning myself or asking for advice. Secondly, there’s no need to call it "unacceptable" that it came to that. We all make mistakes and I don't mistreat my dog. I just had a reaction as sharp as his so he’d understand he’d gone too far and so that the people around me (since there was a crowd) could see that I don’t let things like that slide—it’s out of the question. So yes, I gave him a good smack because I didn't know how else to react, and if it were to happen again, he’d get another one because, at the end of the day, it's very dangerous and I can't just let it go! It’s for his own good and for the sake of the children too. I wouldn’t want him to have an even worse reaction one day and then have him taken away from me. But obviously, I recognise that my reaction wasn't the right one and I’ve felt a lot of guilt because I love my dog more than anything! Regarding the context, she approached him gently and wanted to stroke him. As I always do when anyone wants to pet him, I asked her to crouch down and I also crouched down next to her because Atchoum is shy and won’t let himself be stroked if I’m not there. There were no warning signs, otherwise I would have immediately told the young girl to leave him be. I know my dog like the back of my hand; I’m very close to him. I use positive reinforcement training and everything goes really well! But here, no signs at all, he just suddenly lunged at her to grab her hand. That said, knowing my boy, I don’t think he had any intention of hurting her; it was more of a deterrent because he was frightened. As for what happens next, I’m going to take Atchoum on some group walks with children so he gets used to seeing them, as we don’t have any children and there aren't any in our social circle either. But for the time being, I’m on holiday, so I can’t start that until Saturday. So, I’m going to follow my dog trainer's advice: the girl won't go near my dog and will just ignore him until he decides he's ready. Thanks for your reply, Best regards :)
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    Hi there,

    If I’ve understood correctly, your dog showed aggressive behaviour (I’ll come back to this later) towards a child, seemingly out of fear, and because you were also scared, you hit him.

    I suppose we could sum it up by saying that fear, for both humans and dogs, often makes us do stupid things. And just because you found your dog's actions unacceptable, it doesn't mean your decision to hit him for it isn't also unacceptable.

    Now, if you’re telling me that your dog was violently biting the child and wouldn’t let go, and giving him a clout was the only thing that made him stop, then you were probably right to do it. Even if I don't agree with that method, an emergency situation sometimes requires an immediate and deterrent response.

    In fact, we really need to know exactly what happened during the incident. Did your dog show any calming signals towards the child? Did he growl first, bare his teeth, bark, or take a defensive stance before biting? Regarding the bite itself, was it a nip, or did the dog actually lunge at the child to truly attack him?

    Were the dog and the child being supervised by an adult at the time?

    Regarding his fear of children, we’d need to see if desensitisation or habituation is possible. It would also be worth looking at whether your own knowledge of dogs allows you to spot the warning signs of potential aggression. If that isn't the case, you’ll need to work on that with the help of a professional.

    The priority is knowing what to do to ensure he doesn't bite again. Secondly, we need to figure out what you should do if there’s another attack.

    I’d advise you to call in a dog behaviourist to support you. If you aren't sure how to find or choose one, don’t hesitate to let us know. :)

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    I’m just sharing the little I know, but as I mentioned, JEEP behaved exactly like yours (I got him when he was 10 months old). My mum didn’t really believe it; she said he just needed time to settle down, but while avoiding children and other dogs. In my opinion, that’s not the best way to go about it! Yes, it takes time, but you have to face the problem head-on! (I’m talking about what I did with kids aged between 3 and 10). I don’t know if yours does this, but there’s something else to keep in mind: if the dog stares intently at whatever they’re afraid of (a person, another dog, etc.), it means they’re either going to bite (in your case) or bark, and so on.
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    Thanks for your message.

    Regarding the fact that I hit him, I think anyone would have done the same. I was really scared and I wasn't about to just let it slide!

    I definitely felt guilty, of course, because I love my dog and I’d never laid a hand on him before. But in the heat of the moment, it was just a knee-jerk reaction!

    I’ll take your advice on board, thanks.

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    First of all, even if you find it unacceptable, unforgivable or whatever, giving him a smack will just make him more "traumatised" by children*, so the behaviour will only get worse.

    I’m only 14 but I know exactly what this is like! Jeep, my Border Collie cross who’s nearly 2, has been (and still is a bit) scared of children. As a defence, he barks, jumps up, or chases them**. What I did following some advice (I do a lot of his training myself) was simply go for walks with a child, keeping them on the opposite side to the dog. At the start, if you’re really worried, you could use a muzzle, though I don't necessarily think it's the best way. Then, ask the child to hold the lead (muzzled or not) while keeping a bit of a distance***. Eventually, the two of them will be walking together (with you there, obviously, but keeping more or less away). Gradually, you can take the muzzle off and the child can give him a treat, and if possible, let the dog off the lead in a field. At first, the child stays near you, then they can start throwing a stick or toy for him.

    PLEASE NOTE: Regardless of the method used, treats are highly recommended!

    * : Because he’ll think: "Whenever I see a child, I get a smack or a telling off!"

    ** : He’s never actually tried to bite them, though.

    *** : An owner’s presence can sometimes hinder a dog or puppy’s training!

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