How much does a breeder actually make?

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Right, in a previous post, I mentioned I’d do a breakdown of what a small-scale "hobby breeder" typically earns. I thought it might be useful as a general guide, so I’m making a separate post about it. I haven't based this on a single litter, as everyone knows the first one is incredibly expensive; instead, I’ve based it on having 3 breeding dogs, bought as puppies at around 2–3 months old (2 females, 1 male). I’ve assumed litters start when the dogs are about 2 to 2.5 years old and stop at 5 to 5.5 years. I’m also basing this on one litter per year, meaning 3 litters per ***** in her lifetime, with the male doing 2 matings a year (not consecutively) and also retiring at 5 (which is the maximum ethical limit for me). I’ve calculated the costs for these dogs and their puppies over 5 years (until the dogs retire), given that there are puppies on the scene for 3 of those years. I’ve also gone with an average of 5 puppies per litter (the general average, though it varies by breed). I’m not a professional; I just did these sums once when I was thinking of becoming a breeder, and looking at them again, you can see that breeding doesn't actually pay much. And honestly, I think I’ve stuck to a bare-minimum budget. I’ll explain the maths because I’ll then divide it up to see the average cost of a litter after deducting all expenses over those 5 years (obviously the dog still costs money after that, but no longer as a breeding dog). Since I’m calculating the overall picture, I hope it’s not too messy—I’ll explain the details below.

First, there are the breeding dogs themselves:

- Purchase price: Between £850 and £1,300 per puppy. Let’s say an average of £1,100, so for 3 puppies, that’s £3,300. (Of course, you could just have 2 females and use an external stud, or buy health-tested adult dogs, but that’s even more expensive.)

- Travel to collect the puppies: For "popular" dogs, you might find a breeder nearby, but for rarer breeds, you can easily end up with over 300 miles on the clock. I’ll budget £350 for the average round trip. Since the male likely won't be from the same place (rarely do breeders run two distinct lines), we double that to £700 (and that’s assuming you get both females from the same place to keep it cheap).

- Worming: Bare minimum twice a year, but at least 4 times a year for a pregnant *****. I pay about £8.50 at my vet. Puppies need worming every month until they are 6 months old, and litters start around age 2. For a female over 5 years, that’s about £160; for a male, £110. For 2 females and 1 male, we’re at £430 over 5 years.

- Flea treatment: Valid for 1 month, I’m budgeting around £8.50 per pipette. Starting from when they are 2–3 month old pups until they retire at 5, that’s about £500 per dog over 5 years. For 3 dogs = £1,500.

- Dog food: Personally, I’d probably do raw feeding (BARF), but for these sums, I’ve used a good quality dry food that’s a bit cheaper than Orijen but still premium. I based it on 300g (approx 10.5 oz) of a high-quality brand, for a dog weighing about 50 lbs (roughly 3.5 stone). For 3 dogs, that’s around £1,050 a year. Over 5 years until retirement = £5,250. However, a ***** in whelp and during weaning eats much more, especially in the second month of pregnancy and the first 4 weeks of weaning. You can easily add an extra £85 a year, so £425 over 5 years, making a final total of about £5,700 for food.

- Vaccinations: Even if you aren't a fan of over-vaccinating, if you’re doing shows, you usually have to, so there's no choice. I’ll budget £45 on average per jab (including the 3-month booster). That’s £280 per dog over 5 years, so £840 for all three.

So, that’s what the parents need just to live well—not including injuries, lead and collar costs, beds, etc.

Total = around £12,470 just for the vital needs of 3 dogs over 5 years.

Next, we have the dogs, they’re well-fed, and we do health tests to try and ensure we produce healthy puppies.

- Ataxia: About £75 for the test; for 3 dogs, that’s £225.

- Hip dysplasia (BVA/KC scoring): Average of £130 per dog, so £390 for 3.

- Elbow dysplasia (I think the price is similar): £390 for 3.

- DNA screening for hereditary diseases: £70 on average, so 70 x 3 = £210.

- DNA profiling/Identification: £45 on average, 45 x 3 = £135.

- Annual blood tests: £70 for 3 dogs, so £210 per year over 3 years = £630 for all dogs (it's good to keep this up afterwards too).

- Eye screening (BVA eye tests): About £45 per dog (to be done every year the dog is breeding). 45 x 3 = £135; over 3 years, that's £405.

For all health tests (knowing some breeds like Aussies need even more): minimum £2,385.

Now we have our breeding stock, but we need to do some shows. This gets expensive too.

- First, breed registration/assessment fees: £20 per dog, so £60.

- Then the shows themselves: I’ve checked, and entry fees seem to be between £15 and £35 per dog. Let’s say an average of 3 shows a year starting from age 1, at £25 entry per dog. That’s £75 per show, £225 per year, and £900 over 5 years.

- The biggest cost is travel: Shows are rarely local. You’ve got hotel nights (or holiday cottages, which I prefer) that accept dogs for the weekend. £50 a night (minimum), sometimes for two nights, plus maybe a 300-mile round trip. I’d say you easily spend £1,300 a year on travel and accommodation, and that’s being generous. If you live next door to a major show centre, great (and carpooling helps). I’m not even counting wear and tear on the car—and you’ll likely need a van or estate, so forget about having a small run-around. 1,300 x 4 years = £5,200.

- If you’re showing, you need crates (useful for daily life too). At least £215 for a good one, so £645 for 3 dogs.

Total for shows: around £6,805.

Once the dog has done a few shows, we decide to mate them:

- Progesterone testing to start (usually needs two goes): about £25 per test, so £100 a year for two litters, £300 over 3 years.

- Mating declaration/paperwork: £10, so £30 over 3 years.

- Hormone monitoring during pregnancy: about £25, twice. £50 per pregnancy, £100 per year, so £300 over 3 years.

- To know the exact number of pups: 1 ultrasound followed by an X-ray (more accurate but pricier). Probably £95 on average per pregnancy: £190 per year, so 190 x 3 = £570 over 3 years.

- Buying a whelping box (if you aren't handy with DIY): £190.

- Vet scales (for larger pups that don't fit on kitchen scales): around £270.

- Heat lamp: I’m no expert, but let’s say one a year at £13 each: 13 x 3 = £39.

- For the whelping box, you need something waterproof underneath. Rubber vet bedding or mats are about £25+.

- Then for the top, vet bed or insulating mats. Better than blankets so pups don't get lost or smothered, but pricier. You’ll need two so one can be in the wash: about £45 per whelping. Given the mess, they won't last forever. One set a year: 45 x 3 = £135.

- Things you forget: latex gloves for whelping or handling newborns. Say £17 a year: 17 x 3 = £51.

- Anti-bacterial gel: Same again, £17 x 3 = £51.

- A stand for the heat lamp if you aren't handy: about £25.

Roughly £1,386 for whelping prep.

The pups are born! With luck, everyone is healthy. 5 puppies. Now we look after the little ones.

- Puppy pen (essential for safety and socialisation in the living room): £150 on average.

- ID collars for pups: £15 for a pack, maybe £20 if you need more.

- Microchip reader: Breeders usually have their own (£60).

- Puppy milk (and bottles for the runt): I’ll estimate 1 pup every 2 litters needs this. £35 x 3 = £105.

- Stainless steel puppy bowls: about £17.

- Worming puppies (4 times by 8 weeks): about £170 per litter. For 2 litters a year for 3 years, that’s £1,020 over 3 years.

- Flea treatment (at 6 weeks): £8.50 per pup. For 5 pups and 2 litters a year = £85 a year, £255 over 3 years.

- Microchipping: £60 average per litter (5 pups), £120 a year, so £360 over 3 years (Note: prices vary wildly if the vet does it).

- Vaccinations: around £43 per pup, so £430 a year, £1,290 over 3 years.

- Puppy toys (for socialisation): at least £85 a year (they get destroyed). 85 x 3 = £255.

- Pet passports (around £13): £65 per litter, £130 a year, £390 over 3 years.

- Puppy food: about £110 for a litter, £220 a year, £660 over 3 years.

- Kennel Club registration/birth certificates: £20 per pup, £100 per litter, £200 a year, £600 over 3 years.

That’s £5,122 for the puppies.

Then the miscellaneous stuff:

Bills: electricity (heat lamp 24/7), water, laundry (constant washing), things the puppies destroy, etc.: I’ll put £130 for the years there are litters, so £390 over 3 years.

Total expenses over 5 years for 6 litters = £28,558. That’s £4,760 in costs per litter.

Now let's look at the income.

5 puppies sold for £850 each (even if your base price is £1,100, you have to account for pups born with faults, undescended testicles, etc., which are sold for less).

That makes £4,250 (Ouch, that’s already a sting—nearly £500 loss per litter).

But that's not all. From that £850, if you have to factor in tax or VAT (at 20%), a puppy only nets you £680. So you have £3,400 in "profit" against nearly £4,800 in costs. That's a £1,400 loss per litter.

When people say breeders are raking it in, I honestly don't see where. A good breeder is often in deficit. And I’ve even sugar-coated this—I haven't factored in the "risk" of a litter (C-sections, etc.), which gets very expensive very fast. Also, a puppy you keep might not turn out to be a good breeder, and you might have to start from scratch. Plus, you have to modify your house to meet regulations.

I hope everyone follows my logic. I’ve included everything from choosing the parents to retirement (and retirement doesn't mean getting rid of them—I’d keep mine!).

All this to say that being a breeder is rarely easy. Don't think they're just in it for the money. The costs are massive, and you often don't see a penny for years. I see people on the forum bashing breeders (whether hobby, commercial, or even pet shops), and while "puppy farms" are a different story, real breeders usually lose money. It's a passion above all else.

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    I find it scandalous that breeders are working at a loss. People often say that breeding cats, dogs, or other animals should be a passion first and foremost, but it’s only fair that a breeder should be able to see some reward for all their hard work. More often than not, they have another job, without which keeping the breeding business going would be impossible! Breeding is an activity that requires a huge amount of time and commitment. As with many lines of work, it is becoming necessary to turn to intensive production just to make a living, but this can only happen at the expense of the care and attention these living beings receive. In a logical world, breeders should be able to benefit from discounts on vet bills, food, and supplies. Alternatively, the sale price for kittens and puppies should be increased. This would provide extra reassurance that they are being placed with families who are truly capable of covering all the costs necessary for their well-being.
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    Yeah, at the beginning, before the purchase, they replied to every single email – it was quite reassuring!! It’s only afterwards that the problems started... I left without so much as a puppy pack!! Just Jun and his papers... I have to say, the kennels seemed well-kept; the dogs were in comfy pens with chalets for shelter and their own bit of grass!! There were areas for them to run around, but for instance, I didn't see a single dog toy anywhere!! And the mum and the pups were kept in a barn! Since it was my first time buying from a breeder, I obviously thought it was much better than a pet shop, for example. But if I had the choice, I’d have preferred the puppies to be raised in a house, as part of the family!!
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    Yeah, some people definitely only do it for the money. I think that's why I've found myself leaning towards rarer breeds, almost despite myself. Whenever I look at popular or semi-popular breeds like the Akita (I thought about getting one before Iago), I just come across loads of mediocre breeders. Sometimes even just looking at their website is enough to put you off (I’m not saying there aren't any good breeders, but you really have to sift through them), and when you take the time to message them and don't get a reply, it’s really discouraging. With rare breeds, it’s rarely about the money because the passion for the breed comes first. Breeders often have to source their breeding dogs from far away and have to meet the requirements of foreign breeders who are often much more thorough than we are (especially in the Nordic countries). They often have to keep their puppies for longer too, because they can't find homes for them as easily. That doesn't mean they're all perfect, but if money were their main motivation, they’d be breeding a different dog altogether.
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    I’d definitely look for a different breeder next time and make sure to ask all those questions before even putting down a deposit! You live and learn, I suppose! Even though Jun has a heart of gold and fits the breed standard perfectly... I think the way they’ve behaved since the purchase is a bit much. I haven’t heard a peep from them, and even though I sent an email once to ask for advice on food, I didn't get a reply at all! Anyway, I guess you get the good with the bad everywhere!
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    Yes, it’s completely normal. You never regret a dog you’ve adopted, even if it’s from a pet shop (even though I’m totally against that); once the dog is there, you love them just as they are. But I think it mostly serves as a lesson for the next time. When my parents got First (a Boxer who died at 18 months from a congenital condition), the lady just kept on breeding litter after litter, raising her animals in outdoor runs and continuing to breed from the same dam—who was already old and had previously produced a pup that wasn't viable. Despite how awful it was, it helps you put things into perspective. We didn't regret taking First in, but it’s certain that I was much more cautious with Iago, who came from a proper breeder. You could already see there wasn't that same obsession with money. When we got First, he was the thinnest pup in the litter and had an undescended testicle. Usually, in those cases, the price would drop by about £250, but the breeder told us that because she was keeping him for us a bit longer, she was charging the normal price for a "healthy" Boxer—so basically, looking after First cost us around £250. It was the same with Iago; I couldn't pick him up on the day, so he stayed an extra two or three weeks. But when I asked the breeder about an extra fee, she said it wasn't necessary and that she was more than happy to keep him. She even wormed him again at her own expense before he left and fed him too. The way they treated the animals was completely different. Iago and his mum were in the house when I arrived; she gave me a lovely welcome, and he was already used to the lead and going for walks with the breeder. Safe to say I don’t regret the second adoption one bit, and I wouldn’t have any issues at all getting another dog from the same breeder again.
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    Yeah Caroline, but in my case, despite how much I paid for Jun, I didn't get any health tests for the parents!! Some breeder they turned out to be... I'm speechless. I did ask the question eventually, but I’d already adopted Jun by then and I wouldn’t have been able to change my mind anyway, regardless of the negative response... we’d been looking forward to her arrival so much. In the end, I don't regret my choice one bit; she's an absolute sweetheart of a dog.
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    THANKS for these estimates :)

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    Actually, I’ve just been on my breeder’s website; she’s taken back a puppy who’d been rehomed, but the owners were struggling with his training. People can make mistakes when it comes to getting a dog, but it’s so much better that she’s taken him back instead of him ending up in a rescue, especially since she must be out of pocket for it. He’s such a lovely little thing (but I’m behaving myself!) ^^

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    Yes, that’s the tricky part, but you can talk things through with the breeder (a lot) and visit on the day you collect the pup. You shouldn't hesitate to walk away if the environment doesn't look right. I've nothing against hobby breeders who do a good job—they do exist, though they're not necessarily common—but hip dysplasia and eye screening are really the bare minimum for a breed without major issues. I want to start breeding specifically with that goal in mind. There’s nothing to say I won't have a litter as a hobby breeder first, but even then, I think I’ll have already done a bit of training. Soon, I’m joining a course where the instructor is an Australian Shepherd breeder; even if I don't plan on breeding that specific breed, it’ll still be great to get some tips. What I’m most worried about is the home inspection; I’m not sure how it needs to look for a "no-kennel" setup, yet I didn’t get the impression my own breeder's house was anything out of the ordinary when I visited, and all the dogs were indoors. I just know you need an isolation room (obviously). Yes, a lot of breeders boast about their success at shows (I found the same with a Boxer breeder), whereas most owners don't want a champion dog (showing is fine, but there’s no need to do thousands of them); they just want a sociable dog that’s a good fit for the family. My male has been neutered, for example (in my case, all the dogs in the country are basically his cousins, so I’m leaving the breeding to the pros). When I start my own breeding program for this breed, I’ll have to go quite far to find my foundation dogs. I think the females will come from Sweden (I’ll take Iago on holiday with me to the land of his ancestors! ^^), and the male will probably come from a breeder in England I’ve got my eye on. In any case, a litter is a massive amount of work and I don’t blame breeders who do their job properly. When you see the state of some Akita rescue organisations, you realise how much some breeders, hobbyists, and pet shops take advantage. It’s a breed I love, but the price has to be justified. I don’t mind paying around £1,300 for a dog, but I want it to be properly health-tested. I’ve never understood why Akitas are so expensive; you could say it’s rarity, but my own dog’s breed is much rarer and costs about £750 to £850 on average, and all those breeders carry out hip and eye screenings. For me, only health tests can justify that kind of money, and if there are no tests or lineage checks for hereditary Akita diseases, I think they’re just breeders jumping on the trend, unfortunately.
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    The problem is, when you live miles away from the breeder, you can't just pop in and visit whenever you'd like. I did get photos of the parents and the pups on a regular basis... but once you're actually there and you’ve been waiting months for YOUR dog, you just take him and head off. He claims he provides aftercare, but my **** he does... absolutely nothing. The worst part is he calls himself one of the two best breeders in France... honestly, give me a break... he enters shows and all that, and he was so proud to show off the sire’s awards... but he didn't show me any X-rays or health tests—the truth is, he hasn't done any!!
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