Border Collie nipping people on walks

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Hello,

I'm feeling completely helpless and desperate, so I'm posting here in the hopes of finding some answers and, more importantly, some effective tips.

I have an 18-month-old female Border Collie. Until she was about 10-12 months old, her only obsession on walks was chasing cars. For several months now, she’s found a new hobby: she lunges at people walking by and nips or bites their calf, thigh, or hand. This morning, she nipped a child of about ten on the thigh, and it was so hard that the poor lad was marked even through his ski trousers...

I’m at my wits' end because I really feel like my dog has everything she needs to be happy and settled:

- She goes out every day for at least an hour and runs off-lead. She runs with me 4 to 6 times a week for between 1 and 3 hours at a time. I let her roam off-lead as much as possible, but I make sure to keep her on the lead in busy areas and as soon as I spot someone walking in the distance. When I do pass someone, I have to hold the lead extremely tight, otherwise the dog growls nastily and jumps at people to nip them.

- She plays with us a lot in the garden or in the house.

- We have a fenced-off garden of about 1,000 square metres (nearly a quarter of an acre) where she can let off steam whenever she wants.

- We have set strict rules which she follows (the lounge area with the sofa and rug are strictly out of bounds, as are the vegetable patch and the bedroom).

She is a lovely dog and generally quite obedient... well, when she feels like it! She tends to be stubborn and just does her own thing when she's focused on an activity, like chasing an animal in the woods or hunting for moles in a field. We are working on obedience during these moments of extreme excitement on the advice of a dog trainer, but it’s a long, hard slog. I have, however, noticed some progress over the last few weeks.

To finish this long explanation (sorry!), I should mention that we’ve seen three different trainers since we got our dog: one session when she was a puppy as she’s our first dog, then a session to try and sort the car-chasing (no results), and finally, more recently, a session for the problem with her being aggressive towards people we pass on walks (again, no results).

I’m now at the point where I’m ready to invest in a muzzle just so I can let her off-lead without the risk of her hurting someone. But obviously, that isn’t a real solution because it won’t solve the underlying issue.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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    Marie4pat Icon representing the flag French
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    Thanks so much for all these brilliant ideas! It’s mad – in just a few hours on this forum, I’ve learned more than I did in three sessions with professional dog trainers...

    I’m going to try out the different strategies suggested. In any case, it’s fascinating to see how dogs from the same litter can be completely different. Kari often sees her sister, who was adopted by someone living just down the road from me, and she couldn't care less about cars, bikes, or people... Kari, on the other hand, is really drawn to anything that moves and can be chased or herded. It took a few runs together for her to understand that the game wasn't about jumping up at me to tell me where to go, but simply running alongside me without trying to nip or nudge me.

    Regarding the targeting tip, that might be a bit of a challenge as Kari tends to be a bit scatterbrained. A trainer once described her as a "butterfly" to explain how she’ll happily join in an exercise or a game, but if she sees an actual butterfly fly past, that's it! She’s off in her own little world and completely forgets what she was doing with us! Kari seems to respond really well to praise, perhaps even more than treats or toys (she doesn't have a "favourite" toy), so I might try focusing entirely on that to distract her from people on one hand, and to reinforce a "stop" or "stay" command when we pass people on the other.

    By the way, nobody has given me their thoughts on Treibball yet. Is it a good lead? Could it help satisfy at least some of that herding instinct that Kari seems to have such a strong drive for?

    Also, I’ve been reading loads of different opinions online. I noticed that giving a dog "jobs" to do around the house could be great for their mental stimulation and focus. Do you have any ideas for "chores" I could give her? And more importantly, how do you actually teach them, for example (to mention a video I saw yesterday), to help empty the washing machine?

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    What you’re saying there, Lorna, reminds me of the "LAT" (Look at That) game—a training technique that helped me quite a bit with Léon.

    The basic principle is to teach a dog to look at a target (you can practice at home with a toy), and then look back at their owner to be rewarded (with treats, play, etc.).

    At the start, I followed the concept to the letter. So, I’d say "Where’s the person?", Léon would look at "the person", then turn back to me, and I’d add in a cheerful voice "Yeees, there’s the person!" while giving him a treat.

    I soon stopped using treats and just made a point of being really enthusiastic whenever we had a potentially worrying encounter on a walk. It became a bit of a game between us.

    That covers the wariness aspect. When it comes to the chasing/herding side of things, it’s a different matter.

    It’s important to find substitute activities for this dog (herding etc.), but I’ll be honest: that won’t be enough to break her bad habits on its own.

    The chase instinct is extremely strong in certain breeds and they never really get "full" of it; on the contrary, it’s very addictive. Just because a dog spends an hour chasing a ball doesn't mean they’ll have any less desire to chase a car.

    In reality, these games should mainly be used to help the dog develop self-control and to put certain commands in place.

    In this case, for anything involving chasing, the command you really need to work on is the "stop" or "stay".

    From what I've seen, holding a static position is often effective in helping the dog understand that they shouldn't be bolting after something.

    You need to work on it out of context first (at home or on a quiet walk with no moving targets around), then gradually move into real situations with the dog on a long lead (by anticipating, you need to give the command before she gets triggered).

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    Remember to praise her when she stays calm too; sometimes you can nudge dogs into the right mindset or energy level, a bit like you would with toddlers.

    When there's something scary around, using a cheerful voice and giving them some praise can really influence how they feel.

    Try to project a sense of joy or positivity before she even has a chance to react or panic—you can sometimes see a real shift in their mood that way.

    With my current dog, I can often snap him out of it just by praising him. When he looks like he’s about to charge or growl, I go: "Buck?! Ohhh, yessss, what a handsome boy! Who’s a goooood boy then!" and just like that, the little guy completely forgets he was about to kick off five seconds ago, lol.

    Mind you, it doesn't work every single time, but it’s definitely worth a go.

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    I’m currently working with a behaviourist to teach my dog to ‘leave it’ (or ‘ignore it’) on command. In your case, that would mean asking her to ignore the walker and focus on you, a treat, a toy, or whatever else stops her from nipping. I found someone through a directory for positive reinforcement trainers; I’m really happy with how it’s going so far, but it does take a lot of work and discipline (for both the owner and the dog!) ^^
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    No, she doesn’t discriminate: she goes for everyone without exception, though she has a particular thing for children! It’s clear that keeping her on a short, tight lead must be passing a lot of tension and stress down to her. I’ve noticed that the distance between her and other people definitely makes a difference when we’re passing them: if I tell her “no” when people are still about 2 or 3 metres away, she listens much more easily than if they’re only a metre away. At that point, she just completely loses it: growling, the works.
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    @Marie: Do also pay attention to details that might seem insignificant to us but can really influence a dog.

    Is she less comfortable with certain types of people (age, gender)? Is the passerby carrying something or wearing a hat, etc.?

    Sometimes you can get quite a surprise.

    I’m fostering a German Shepherd at the moment, and he acted aggressively towards three people before I realised they were all wearing woolly hats, hoods, or caps.

    As it happens, that's the only thing that bothers him... As long as you’ve got nothing on your head, he’s a total softie.

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    Ah, great to have you back ;-)

    Perfect timing!

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    Hi there,

    Like Lorna, I find it staggering that three "pros" haven't been able to sort out issues that are so typical for a Border Collie.

    I live with Aby, an 11-year-old Border, so I really do understand your situation. I'm lucky enough to be a tennis coach and I can take my dog to work with me, so she has a "job" to do—and that's the most important thing. Simply taking a Border out for a walk, no matter how long it is, just won't be enough.

    Ideally, of course, you'd be able to get him into some herding work. You could also try playing with a frisbee or a ball in your garden to teach him how to manage frustration and how to stop the activity whenever you decide.

    We're seeing more and more Borders or Aussies with aggression issues because they aren't getting enough activity to satisfy their natural instincts, but I can promise you that a happy, well-adjusted Border is a total joy.

    I'm currently a part-time tennis coach and a dog-walker the rest of the week, and I'm also starting to work as a dog trainer—Aby is the perfect assistant!

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    Okay, that makes sense based on what you’ve described... There’s a need that needs meeting, but there’s also a lot of tension that’s built up when you're around passers-by. It might also be linked to your own anxiety since she started lashing out... it often turns into a bit of a vicious cycle. As you mentioned, you’re keeping the lead very short when passing people, which only adds to the tension. I think it’s best to completely stop scolding her for the time being (even if it feels counter-intuitive at the time). Using a muzzle is going to be essential so you can work on this calmly, with a loose lead, knowing for sure that she can’t hurt anyone. She won't be able to relax if you’re stressed yourself. Do see if you can find a more reputable professional to help you, perhaps based on recommendations from people in the know. But generally, to get her used to people, you'll need to make it clear to your helpers that they shouldn't stare at her or talk to her at first. They should just move around nearby without paying her any attention, keeping at a comfortable distance until she feels more at ease. In the second phase, you can move closer to people while keeping your dog in an 'observation' position a bit further back (having her sit, for example).
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    Yes, you're right, this nipping and biting – basically this aggression towards walkers – has been going on for several months now. The point you made about it becoming "ingrained" is spot on, as the behaviour is definitely being reinforced over time. Like a friend said to me: "To be honest, she probably just loves nipping people; she can't help herself and it's more rewarding for her than whatever telling-off she gets afterwards." Because I should mention that I do, of course, scold her whenever she goes for people we pass.

    I’ve also wondered if there's some underlying fear involved, as her "attacks" are often from behind. The other day, I bumped into someone I know and she started barking and growling, but didn't actually nip because the man stood perfectly still on the path. He tried talking to her, but she just cowered on the ground, looking absolutely terrified. There must be some anxiety there too, which is really strange because she used to be so incredibly sociable – she’d go up to anyone for a fuss and roll over on her back for a belly rub!

    On our next walk, I’m going to try and work on desensitising her to people passing by, so she learns it’s just a normal, everyday thing.

    Thanks again!

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