3-month-old Australian Shepherd puppy — rebellious / aggressive

Smaugie2022
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Hello everyone,

I'm writing here because I've had an Australian Shepherd puppy at home for just over a month now.

My partner and I got him at 2 months (and about a week) old.

For a little while now, he's been completely kicking off at me whenever I tell him off:

Jumping on the sofa and being told no — for example.

At first he'd just bark at me from the floor, but now he's started snapping.

He just goes completely out of control. He jumps at me, barks in my face, growls, and snaps.

I've been seeing a dog trainer and we've been having lessons with her. During one session, she put some food at my feet and told me to pinch him if he went for it. When I did, he kicked off. When she saw that, she told me "that calls for immediate submission" — basically, when he reacts like that, I need to hold him by the scruff of his neck until he submits (without pressing, just holding). So I've been trying to apply that, but it honestly feels like it's getting worse. It can easily go on for a whole hour before he gives in.

Yesterday I let out a firm, deep "NO" — the puppy immediately went into submission, wagging his tail, and came back to me belly to the ground... with a little bark at the end, mind you.

Today the big authoritative "NO" barely works anymore and he still rebels.

I feel like a terrible owner when I have to hold him into submission, but in those moments he just doesn't listen to me at all. Nothing works.

I did raise my concerns with the trainer, saying I was worried about making him aggressive, but she reassured me that it just puts him back in his place.

Tonight and tomorrow I'm looking after a friend's Border Collie at mine alongside him, and he's been aggressive towards him too at times. I've already managed to head off 2 fights by calming them both down and telling them off, but I'm feeling a bit disheartened right now.

Worth mentioning that with my partner, he never kicks off anywhere near as badly — he might bark, but if my partner stands up or raises his voice, he submits straight away.

So clearly the problem is coming from me — at the start I used to pick him up a lot and let him on the sofa when he'd sit and wait for the "come on then", so I've probably given him too much freedom in the house and he's stopped respecting me. But the more I make him submit, the more I worry I'm going to lose his trust completely. He even growls at me when I come near him while he's chewing a bone now. Although weirdly, with his food bowl I can tell him to stop and he will.

Any advice would be massively appreciated.

I've also tried time-outs instead of the submission hold when he kicks off, but even if he comes back calm, he's straight back to it the next time I tell him off.

#getting bullied by a puppy basically 🤣

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  • Smaugie2022
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    Hi everyone, I just wanted to give you a quick update on how things are going with Smaugie. We spent four days out in the country at a friend's place with their Border Collie. It did him the world of good (and me too). He’s hardly acting up at all now—the mouthing only really happens when he gets over-excited during play, so I just calm him down and ignore him if he goes too far. I think my little dragon just needed to burn off some more energy. I’m taking him for a two-hour run in the park every morning, followed by more structured walks in the afternoon and evening. We’ve also started some training sessions, with or without treats as a reward, and he’s improving every day. Instead of trying to force him into submission, I just give him a firm "no" when he’s being naughty. Even off-lead he’s behaving well (still a bit stubborn at times, haha, but that’s only to be expected with a puppy). Anyway, I just wanted to say that, in his case at least, he just needs to use up his energy to be more relaxed at home. He’s even turning into a real little softy. My own perspective has changed too—when he starts "losing the plot", I take him outside for a run on the lead, do a bit of training, and then finish with some play and a cuddle. Usually, that does the trick. Hang in there, everyone! You aren't warned enough about how headstrong these little rascals can be 🤣🤣🤣. Personally, I’ve had three dogs before and I’ve never had a puppy this stubborn, but I suppose his intelligence has something to do with it.
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    Martau
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    What is it with these trainers who are only interested in making dogs submit? It honestly feels like they’re coming out of the woodwork! Probably churned out by some half-baked “online training” company? A dog doesn't need to be forced into submission. Above all, they need a real bond with their owner, who should be a solid, consistent figure, but also attentive and affectionate. Training through fear is a recipe for disaster. A fearful dog is liable to bite at the slightest surprise.
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    Hi there, you just need to use a training technique that you can easily do yourself for 15 mins a day. Here’s the link to learn how: bit.ly/3MQxs7y
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    Actually, I was talking about what your trainer said. Not you – that’s exactly what I pointed out in my second post to avoid any misunderstanding.
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    Sorry if my message sounded a bit harsh. It’s not aimed at you! It’s just those comments that bothered me. We often demand more than we actually teach, which is a real shame. Nothing is innate, for humans or animals alike. It was a bit harsh, to be fair, especially as I was only repeating what the trainer told me. I was just sharing that experience to show that there are as many methods as there are trainers, and it’s not easy to know which way to turn. I also wanted to let the person who started this thread know they aren’t the only one feeling a bit lost. I don’t have to justify myself, but I’ve always seen pets as members of the family, not as something you’d scrape off your shoe. However, I think I’m entitled to try and understand the situation when I’m left with bite marks all over my arm and my daughters can’t even go outside because they’re being attacked. Yes, it’s play and she’s allowed to play, but it shouldn’t have to be a miserable experience for us. Isn’t the main thing that everyone is happy? Anyway.
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    Docline
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    I’ve been noticing lately that there’s a ridiculous number of idiots among "dog trainers" actually...

    - All young animals’ brains develop through play; your puppy is normal.

    - For an animal with no hands, their mouth is how they learn about the world; your puppy is normal.

    - Fear is healthy when it comes to protecting yourself from actual danger, but when it gets between an animal and its owner, it’s just a barrier to communication.

    Take charge of all the "wheres, whens, and hows" of their activities—bearing in mind that their attention span at this age is incredibly short. Make an effort to focus on prevention by inviting them to do this or that, rather than punishing them for doing this or that.

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    Flip-Cockwood
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    @Tessa,

    "When it comes to food, I get mine used to it by showing her it’s my food. When I feed her, I put my hand near her, I take the bowl away and then give it back, same with her bone, and so she doesn’t react anymore... but you have to do it often, like with anything."

    That is a really poor method. There’s no better way to cause resource guarding with the bowl. While she’s still a puppy and hasn’t quite found her feet yet, she won’t say anything, but you’re creating an experience where her resources are being taken away. If you want to get her used to you and other family members being around the bowl, you need to make it a positive experience for her, not a negative one. For example, by adding some even tastier food.

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    Kikaah
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    “The problem is that everything is a game to her”

    Quite the opposite! Use her playfulness to your advantage to teach her things; stop all interaction and ignore her whenever she displays unwanted behaviour.

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    Kikaah
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    I don't understand why a dog should ever be scared in its own home? And of what, exactly? Obviously, that trainer’s methods are pretty questionable; you don't achieve much if you're training through fear. Just teach him the commands you want by associating the word with the action, and don't wait for the puppy to get into mischief just so you can catch him out. You could also just find a new trainer! ^^’
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    I’m sorry if my post comes across as a bit harsh. It’s nothing personal! It’s just what was said that’s niggling at me a bit. All too often, people demand more than they actually teach, which is such a shame.

    Nothing is innate, for humans or for animals.

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