I’m completely lost: Can a red nose puppy (aren’t they banned here in the UK?) be KC registered with fully pedigree parents?
It seems totally impossible to me, but I’m looking for some expert advice 🙄
And have any of you ever seen a red nose listed as an American Staffordshire Terrier on its paperwork (health record, microchip info, etc.)?
Thanks in advance!
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I also think they're brilliant dogs. I had one from being a tiny puppy right up until she was 15 and losing her was heartbreaking... so I've got another one now because I can't live without them. They're absolute sweethearts if they're raised properly. I don't see how anyone can judge this breed just because some stupid humans take advantage of their strength and intelligence. I've got two daughters and I can say they're great with kids, but it's only common sense that you should never leave children unsupervised with any breed of dog. Children are unpredictable around animals! I'll stick with this breed for the rest of my life because they're so loving and affectionate towards people. I hope one day they'll be recognised like any other normal breed and not judged like you hear everywhere 😉😊
Red nose Amstaffs definitely exist; if the parents are KC registered, then the puppy will be too.
Mind you, registration is really just a birth certificate. Getting the dog 'confirmed' against the breed standard is a whole different kettle of fish—no confirmation means no permanent pedigree. But the dog stays on the right side of the law because it’s registered, even if it can't be officially 'confirmed' due to the colour of its nose, its coat, and those yellow eyes.
I’ll finish by saying the red nose isn't a monster; they’re brilliant dogs. It’s just that because they look so much like their cousin, the Pit Bull, it puts them in a right spot with the law over here. I own a KC registered red nose Amstaff myself.
So, what’s your take? Am I pushing my luck, or is it high time they were properly recognised?
Don't stress yourself out and just enjoy life with your girl. Pit bull or Amstaff, it’s all the same really; it’s just a matter of paperwork and breed standards.
If she hasn't got papers and she’s under 50cm (about 20 inches) at the withers, then she technically falls into Category 1, meaning she's classed as a pit bull. But if you're lucky and your pooch is even a centimetre over 50cm at the withers, she could be reclassified as an American Bulldog type.
The law is absolute rubbish when it comes to this, but there’s a specific set of measurements a dog has to meet to be considered a banned Category 1 dog. This often saves "Red Noses" because most of them are quite leggy and therefore exceed those 50cm measurements at the withers.
Extract from the '99 Law:
Dogs commonly known as "pit bulls" which belong to Category 1 bear a close resemblance to the following description:
- A small mastiff-type dog of various colours, with a chest circumference measuring between approximately 60cm/24 inches (which corresponds to a weight of about 40lbs) and 80cm/31.5 inches (which corresponds to a weight of about 88lbs or 6st 4lb). The height at the withers can range from 35cm to 50cm (14 to 20 inches).
- A muscular, short-haired dog.
- A powerful appearance.
- A massive front end with a comparatively light rear.
- The stop is not very pronounced; the muzzle is roughly the same length as the skull but narrower, and the nose is positioned ahead of the chin.
- Strong jaws with bulging cheek muscles.
Personally, I’ve got a Bull Terrier cross American Bulldog. Physically and historically, he’s a textbook pit bull because that’s the exact cross that creates them, but since he has the build and height of a bulldog, he isn't classed as one. Plus, he's white, and the vet even listed him as a Dogo Argentino type on his pet health record.
Good luck—PIT BULLS ARE EXCEPTIONALLY GENTLE AND BEAUTIFUL DOGS, provided they are loved!!!
First off, never buy from sites like Gumtree or Facebook Marketplace, as they're a real hotbed for trafficking. You need to look for a breeder’s licence number, which is mandatory for online ads, and give the Kennel Club a ring as suggested to do your research. They’re the only ones who’ll really be able to help you.
She’s actually an American Pit Bull Terrier—a breed that’s been banned in France since ’99—but she was sold to me as an American Staffy.
I’m trying to find out if I have any legal recourse...
It’s a total nightmare! I know the stakes are massive for the dog and for us if it turns out the paperwork has been tampered with in some way, which definitely seems to be the case.
Isn't it enough to just ask for the parents' microchip numbers and check they're Kennel Club registered (I suppose you can check that online)? Sorry, I hadn't even heard of 'red noses' until I read your posts.
Here is a photo of the little girl in question. You’d agree that she’s an American Pitbull Terrier and not an American Staffordshire Terrier, right?
Is it even legal for the seller to have registered and sold her as an AmStaff?
He’s assured me time and time again that everything is perfectly above board on his end. But how can you be legal in France with American Pitbulls? Is that even possible? Or is it just a total scam? Especially as the pup's parents (both 100% red-noses) are supposedly Kennel Club registered as AmStaffs, which means they’ve been officially vetted by a breed judge.