Physically? Maybe not. Mentally? Yes, without a shadow of a doubt. It’s a killing gesture; dogs who are subjected to it show massive signs of stress, and when they stop moving, it's only because they’re in a state similar to depression—you could compare it to apathy. So, yes, yes and yes again, there is suffering involved!!!
If you follow even basic learning principles, you don't end up with a dog barking in your face for an hour... Would I have the patience? I'm not sure; I’m not the most patient person, much to my regret. However, one thing’s for certain: the method works, it’s simply a way of learning.
it’s showing him that he has as many rights as you do in the house
As many "rights"... pfft. I’m actually struggling to respond because, in my opinion, we're miles away from a healthy concept here. My dogs don’t have fewer or more rights than I do. There are rules that I take the time to teach them, and we live in perfect harmony. They have their own independence; I don't feel particularly superior to them... I’m quite far removed from those kinds of thoughts, because I don't think in terms of hierarchy but rather about "living well with my dogs". I'm happy with them, and if they cause me problems, I teach them what’s needed for the problem to disappear, full stop.
Living well with your dogs—shouldn't that be the goal? They’re happy at home, I’m happy with them, I don't need to show them that they have "fewer rights than me"... besides, it’s such an abstract concept that a dog wouldn't even be able to understand it.
I see what you’re getting at, don't worry.
You set rules at home with your dogs (which is normal), they have things they're allowed to do and things they aren't, right? We can agree on that?
By the way, I’m really enjoying this constructive debate; it’ll be useful for a lot of people regarding how to train their dog. 👍
What kind of dogs do you have, since you said "my dogs"? It’s just a question, not an insult, right? I’m just here to chat and help out however I can with the experience I have—none of us have all the answers. 👍