URGENT - My dog's been seized and nobody's explaining why?

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I desperately need some advice.

I am the owner of a 7-month-old dog who lives at my friend's place. During the first vet appointment, they asked for my details over the phone; I thought it was just to book the appointment, but it turned out it was to register me as the official owner. I bought this dog, but he lives with my friend, and he and his brother are the ones looking after him.

We got this dog to be a guard dog. Since he's still a puppy and hasn't been fully trained yet, when we're out at work, he stays in his crate (which is plenty big enough for him) with toys and food.

Yesterday, 6 police officers, 2 specialist unit officers, an investigator, and people from the RSPCA turned up to seize my dog, Kiwi.

I wasn't notified about this seizure at all; it was only later in the afternoon that my friend called to let me know the dog had been taken because a complaint had been filed against me for animal cruelty.

I was in total DISBELIEF. First of all, my dog has never been mistreated. Furthermore, why wasn't I told that my dog was being taken away? After all, I am the legal owner, my details on his pet health record are up to date, etc.

Are they actually allowed to seize a dog without notifying the owner at any point?

Once I heard the news, I called the police station to try and understand what was going on. I soon realised that the women working in the offices opposite our place had contacted the RSPCA to report that the dog was being kept in a crate. I’m not going to deny the facts: it’s true that Kiwi stays in his crate for a few hours while we’re at work. I want to point out that he is taken out in the morning, afternoon, evening, and at night (since there are several of us looking after him, so everyone takes him out around their own schedules). I understand that leaving my dog in a crate isn't the best situation for him, but he's still young and he destroys everything he sees, so unfortunately we can't leave him loose in the house when we aren't there. I'd like to know, is it normal for them to take my dog straight away? Isn't there some kind of warning before a seizure? I find it hard to accept that leaving him in a crate that is spacious enough for a few hours constitutes such serious neglect that they'd seize him instantly—especially needing 6 police officers, specialist units, and so on...

When I found out he'd been seized, I called the police station but also the people from the RSPCA, who were completely dismissive and looked down on me over the phone. They wouldn't tell me anything, they didn't answer any of my questions, and they really spoke to me as if I were the worst person in the world.

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  • Panthère Noire
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    Hello, A couple of things are bugging me... you say the vet sorted out the paperwork over the phone... Here are my questions: is the dog actually in your name? Have you received the papers from the microchip database? Have you checked with them to see if it’s actually been done? I’ve never heard of paperwork being done over the phone, and especially not just by the vet... As mentioned before, there are several of you looking after the puppy... so why the crate? If you're taking it in turns, surely at least one person can keep an eye on him? This whole story is so strange, but the RSPCA doesn’t act like that for no reason... and then you say you have total confidence in your friends... sure, but I think there’s a real problem here... why is your dog receiving medical care? Did you see him just before they took him, to be able to claim that it’s all false? I’m going to be a bit blunt with you, but when you get a puppy, you train them properly, and that doesn’t mean "in a crate"... you need to be with the little one as much as possible to teach them everything in those early days... a puppy plays, cries, and there’s a good chance they’ll be a bit destructive too... The thing that’s bothering me most is that he might be "your dog", but why isn't he with you, at your house???
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    You say there are several of you looking after him? One of you hasn't... The only reason they turned up is because my dog is kept in a crate. Of course, he’s not in there all day long. In our house, we all work different hours, which means we can take Kiwi out several times during the day and even at night. Like I said before, I obviously don’t like leaving him in a crate and I know that could be seen as animal cruelty (obviously I didn't realise that at the time, otherwise I wouldn't have done it). But is it really neglect to the point of taking him away from me immediately? Involving the police and a specialist task force? As for the dog’s breed category and all that... I don't know the first thing about it. The vet never mentioned a thing to me. I just had to get him a pet passport and some extra jabs. That’s it. It’s true that I became his owner over the phone. I was given this puppy during the COVID lockdowns. When I called the vet, the receptionist took my details and sorted everything over the phone, but I thought it was just to book an appointment. At the time of the seizure, they couldn't have known what kind of dog he was or what category he fell into, so I don't think they came to take him because of that. I trust my friends completely; they love this pup as much as I do and are very involved in his life and training. My dog is not involved in dog fighting. We live in a quiet residential street. Everyone knows Kiwi and really likes him. I don't have any X-rays of the dog because I've never needed any.
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    Your story is a bit strange, to be honest. It’s usually a real struggle to get the authorities to step in even in cases of proven animal cruelty, yet here they are seizing your dog who was supposedly "well" looked after and in perfect health... It’s all very odd (unless they’re filming one of those rubbish telly shows). It sounds like there are several of you looking after the dog, and you're clearly not the one who does the most. Maybe you just aren't aware of everything going on. Start by demanding some answers from your "friends" and then call the police; they have to inform you of the legal procedure. We also need to know the context. You mentioned a Staffie in a crate. Do you live in an area where there’s dog fighting? That could be a factor. Or maybe your dog is a "banned breed" type, that plays a part too.

    Thanks a lot for the quick replies! You’re all shocked by my story, and I am too! That’s exactly why I’ve come to you for advice. I don’t understand what’s happening or why nobody (neither the police nor the RSPCA) will answer my questions. They’re telling me my dog is currently receiving "treatment," yet I know for a fact he’s in perfect health.

    The only reason they came is because my dog is crated. Of course, he isn't in there all day. Everyone in the house has different schedules, which means we can take Kiwi out several times during the day and even at night. As I said before, obviously I don't like leaving him in a crate and I realise that can be seen as mistreatment (clearly I didn't know that, otherwise I wouldn't have done it). But is it really mistreatment to the point of taking him away immediately? To have the police and specialist units involved? Regarding the dog's breed type etc... I don't know anything about that. The vet never mentioned a thing to me. I just had to get him a pet passport and some extra jabs. That’s it. I actually became his owner over the phone. I was given this puppy during the COVID lockdown. When I called the vet, the receptionist took my details and did everything over the phone, but I thought it was just to book the appointment. At the time of the seizure, they couldn’t have known what kind of dog he was or what category he fell into, so I don’t think that’s why they came for him. I trust my friends completely; they love this pup as much as I do and are very involved in his life and training.

    My dog isn't involved in dog fighting. We live on a quiet residential street. Everyone knows Kiwi and loves him. I don't have any X-rays of the dog because I've never had a reason to get any.

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    Your story sounds a bit strange, to be honest. We usually struggle to get the authorities to step in even in cases of proven cruelty, yet here they are, coming to seize your dog who was relatively 'well' looked after and in perfect health... It’s all very odd (unless they’re filming one of those rubbish reality TV shows). Apparently, there are several of you looking after the dog, and you're clearly not the one who spends the most time with him. Maybe you just aren't fully in the loop. Start by asking your 'friends' for some explanations and then call the police; they are required to inform you of the procedure. You also need to consider the context. You mentioned a Staffy in a crate. Do you live in an area where there’s dog fighting? That could be a factor. Or maybe your dog is a Category 1 breed; that makes a difference too.

    Thanks so much for the quick replies! You’re all just as surprised by my story as I am! That’s exactly why I’ve come here for advice. I don’t understand what’s going on or why nobody (neither the police nor the RSPCA) will answer my questions. They’re trying to tell me my dog is currently receiving veterinary treatment, yet I know for a fact he’s in perfect health.

    The only reason they gave for coming was that my dog is kept in a crate. Of course, he’s not in there all day. Everyone in the house has different schedules, which means we can take Kiwi out several times a day and even at night. As I said before, obviously I don't like leaving him in a crate and I realise it could be seen as mistreatment (I honestly had no idea, otherwise I wouldn't have done it). But is it really cruelty to the point of taking him away on the spot? Getting the police and a specialist response unit involved? Regarding the dog’s breed and category etc., I don't know anything about that at all. The vet never said a word to me about it. I just had to get him a pet health record and some extra vaccinations. That’s it. I technically became the owner over the phone, actually. I was given this puppy during the COVID lockdown. When I called the vet, the receptionist took my details and did everything over the phone, but I thought it was just to book the appointment. At the time of the seizure, they couldn't have known what kind of dog he was or what category he fell into, so I don't think that's why they came for him. I trust my friends completely; they love this pup as much as I do and are very involved with him and his training.

    My dog isn't involved in dog fighting. We live on a quiet residential street. Everyone knows Kiwi and loves him. I don't have any X-rays of the dog because he’s never needed them.

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    What about going straight to your local RSPCA branch and asking them yourself? Because even if the dog was seized for neglect (whether it’s been proven or not), they really ought to explain things to you. Was nothing said when they turned up? Just "we’ve been told your dog is being mistreated so we’re taking him, cheers, bye"? I’d expect that from the police, they aren’t exactly known for their people skills, but from someone at an animal charity? I wasn’t there when they came, but yeah, that’s basically what happened. They just took the dog’s health record and left. Actually, according to another animal welfare group I spoke to, they weren’t even allowed to take his pet passport and vaccination records. When the police station called me to come in, they told me to bring his papers; I didn't understand why because they’d already taken them.... The people from the charity I spoke to on the phone were so condescending, they wouldn't tell me anything and they really belittled me—I’ve never been spoken to like that in my life. Surprisingly, the police were actually much more pleasant. I’m honestly shocked by how they’ve kept me in the dark about the whole situation. I understand that the people at the RSPCA are animal lovers and just want what's best for them, but I love Kiwi with all my heart too and I only want what’s best for him. Nothing was explained at the time, which is exactly why I’m so lost and why I’ve been constantly pestering the police and the charity ever since my dog was seized.
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    Kikaah
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    Why not just go straight to your local rescue centre and ask about all this? Because even if the dog was seized for mistreatment (whether proven or not), it would be good if they explained things to you. Was nothing said during the visit? Just "we've been told your dog was being mistreated so we're taking him, cheers, bye"? From the police, fair enough—they don't exactly have a reputation for being the most communicative—but what about the person from the RSPCA?
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    You’re all as shocked by my story as I am! That’s exactly why I’ve come to you for advice. I don’t understand what’s going on or why no one (the police and the RSPCA) is answering my questions. They’re trying to tell me my dog is currently receiving treatment, yet I know he’s in perfect health.

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    Are they allowed to drive off with my dog without letting me know during the seizure?

    Do they have the right to keep his location a secret from me?

    Can they legally refuse to explain exactly what I'm being accused of when I ring them?

    Was such a heavy-handed raid really necessary (6 police officers, two plainclothes officers, an inspector, and the RSPCA)?

    Can they really just take my dog the first time round when he isn't in any danger at all?

    Aren't there normally simple warnings before it gets to this?

    Why are they lying to me about my dog's health? What kind of penalties am I facing?

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    Thanks so much for the quick replies! You’re all just as shocked by my story as I am! That’s exactly why I’ve come here for advice. I don’t understand what’s happening or why no one (neither the police nor the RSPCA) will answer my questions. They’re trying to tell me my dog is currently receiving treatment, and yet I know he’s in perfect health. The only reason they came is because my dog is crated. Of course, he’s not in there all day. We all have different schedules at home, which allows us to let Kiwi out several times during the day and even at night. As I said earlier, I obviously don’t like leaving him in a crate and I realise it could be seen as neglect (I honestly wasn't aware of that, otherwise I wouldn't have done it). But is it really neglect to the point of seizing him immediately? To involve the police and a special response unit? As for the dog's breed category and so on... I know nothing about that. The vet never said a word to me about it. I just had to get him a pet passport and some extra vaccinations. That’s all. I did indeed become his owner over the phone. I was given this puppy during the COVID lockdowns. When I called the vet, the receptionist took my details and did everything over the phone, but I thought it was just to book an appointment. But at the time of the seizure, they couldn't have known which dog it was or what category he was, so I don't think that's why they came to take him. I have total confidence in my friends, who love this puppy as much as I do and are very involved with him and his training. My dog is not involved in dog fighting. We live on a residential street. Everyone knows Kiwi and likes him a lot. I don't have any X-rays of the dog because I’ve never needed any.
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    Kikaah
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    Was he crying when he was in his crate? Usually, when neglect is reported, it’s because the neighbours have called it in after seeing or hearing the dog. Like, if he’s howling every time he’s left alone, the neighbours are going to start asking questions. Is the dog KC registered? If not, he could be classed as a banned breed, and that might be a reason for him to be seized if you and your friends haven't got everything in order.
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