URGENT - My dog's been seized and nobody's explaining why?

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URGENT

I desperately need some advice.

I am the owner of a 7-month-old dog who lives at my friend's place. During the first vet appointment, they asked for my details over the phone; I thought it was just to book the appointment, but it turned out it was to register me as the official owner. I bought this dog, but he lives with my friend, and he and his brother are the ones looking after him.

We got this dog to be a guard dog. Since he's still a puppy and hasn't been fully trained yet, when we're out at work, he stays in his crate (which is plenty big enough for him) with toys and food.

Yesterday, 6 police officers, 2 specialist unit officers, an investigator, and people from the RSPCA turned up to seize my dog, Kiwi.

I wasn't notified about this seizure at all; it was only later in the afternoon that my friend called to let me know the dog had been taken because a complaint had been filed against me for animal cruelty.

I was in total DISBELIEF. First of all, my dog has never been mistreated. Furthermore, why wasn't I told that my dog was being taken away? After all, I am the legal owner, my details on his pet health record are up to date, etc.

Are they actually allowed to seize a dog without notifying the owner at any point?

Once I heard the news, I called the police station to try and understand what was going on. I soon realised that the women working in the offices opposite our place had contacted the RSPCA to report that the dog was being kept in a crate. I’m not going to deny the facts: it’s true that Kiwi stays in his crate for a few hours while we’re at work. I want to point out that he is taken out in the morning, afternoon, evening, and at night (since there are several of us looking after him, so everyone takes him out around their own schedules). I understand that leaving my dog in a crate isn't the best situation for him, but he's still young and he destroys everything he sees, so unfortunately we can't leave him loose in the house when we aren't there. I'd like to know, is it normal for them to take my dog straight away? Isn't there some kind of warning before a seizure? I find it hard to accept that leaving him in a crate that is spacious enough for a few hours constitutes such serious neglect that they'd seize him instantly—especially needing 6 police officers, specialist units, and so on...

When I found out he'd been seized, I called the police station but also the people from the RSPCA, who were completely dismissive and looked down on me over the phone. They wouldn't tell me anything, they didn't answer any of my questions, and they really spoke to me as if I were the worst person in the world.

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    Karinette13 Icon representing the flag French
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    Hi Maeas, I know your post is quite old now, but we’re going through a very similar situation. I’d love to have a private chat with you if you’re okay with that. Karine
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    Petit Ours
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    Any news from the rescue?
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    Kikaah
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    Maybe your friends had a bit of a row with a neighbour and allegedly threatened to set the dog on them? Even if it was just empty threats, it doesn't take much for the police to turn up sometimes... 🤔 Honestly, head down to the rescue centre or the police station and stay there until you get some answers.
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    At first, I didn't really understand how this whole thing was even possible, it’s all very strange... Then I also thought there might be an issue with the paperwork: you say you became the owner over the phone, but then you say you were already the owner and that it was you who sorted out the microchip and everything... How old was the little guy when you were given (or sold?) him? In what circumstances? Are you sure he hasn't come from some kind of illegal trade or a puppy farm? And then there’s the whole business with the police and all that... for a dog that isn't even living with its owner and is intended for guarding... Maybe it's your friends you should be looking at for some other kind of dodgy business...? Especially since, as you don't live with him, you can't be sure that no one has mistreated him, or that the dog hasn't hurt himself trying to get out of his crate, or that there isn't something else going on that you don't know about... At 7 months old, he's too young for it to be a breed classification issue... Anyway, maybe Beaujabote is right and we should just leave it at "this whole story is bizarre"... Or else there are definitely some pieces of the puzzle missing 🤷
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    Beaujabote
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    I find this story hard to believe – sending out 6 officers plus 2 response units (the anti-crime squad, no less!) to seize a dog? That’s not something that happens on a whim; you’d need a formal report and sign-off from senior officers at the very least. Plus, people from the RSPCA being involved just because the neighbours working opposite supposedly saw through your window that the dog was spending time in a crate? The dog is yours, but he lives at your mate's place? You don’t live there yourself? It’s him and his brother looking after him? And you want to train him as a guard dog – to guard what exactly, a flat? Is it just me, or does this whole story smell like a troll?
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    That sounds really weird!

    Try checking the microchip database anyway; maybe there was a typo and it’s your dog that’s been reported as stolen. I don’t know, I’m just trying to find an explanation.

    Do you have any enemies in your neighbourhood? Anyone who might have reported you?

    Either way, someone definitely tipped them off. Otherwise, the police wouldn’t have turned up at your house.

    Is your dog a pedigree? (I doubt it if they were given to you). Have you done all the necessary paperwork for this type of dog? Breed assessment, registration if they’re a restricted breed, and so on...

    Honestly, it’s usually a real struggle to get anyone to intervene even in cases of abuse much worse than yours, so there must be a reason why they acted in your case.

    Because keeping a dog in a cage—yes, that is animal cruelty, and letting them out a few times a day isn't enough. But there are still far more serious cases where, if you ask for help, the response is "we can't get involved".

    Or maybe they’re just more proactive in your area, and I’d say so much the better! It’s about time all the authorities started properly enforcing animal welfare laws.

    I’m not saying they were right to just take your dog like that. No, they should at least explain why they did it. And I don’t think it’s actually legal to seize a dog if the owner isn’t there. I don’t know, but your story isn’t quite adding up—either the people looking after the dog haven’t told you everything, or there’s something else to it.

    Either way, the police have to give you an answer! Spend two hours at the station if you have to, but they’re the ones who know why they intervened. They need to tell you.

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    @Panthère Noire I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. It’s possible this dog has been reported as stolen. That would explain a lot, like the heavy-handed intervention, the RSPCA’s dismissive attitude, and so on... @Maeas do you know your dog’s ID number or his microchip number? I imagine you can check the database with that number to see what the situation is—if the dog is flagged as stolen and whose name it's registered under. I find it hard to believe they’d have turned up like that just for a puppy in a "cage". Granted, crating a dog isn’t exactly the best way of doing things, but there are far worse cases where they say they can’t intervene... I’m afraid Panthère Noire might be right.

    I’ve had Kiwi since he was a tiny puppy. He’s definitely my dog; I’m the one who had him microchipped and vaccinated, and I sorted out his pet passport, his registration on the database, etc.

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    @Panthère Noire I think you’ve hit the nail on the head regarding what the problem is. It’s quite possible this dog has been reported stolen.

    That would explain quite a lot, like the heavy-handed intervention, the RSPCA’s dismissiveness, etc...

    @Maeas do you know your dog’s ID number, his microchip number? I imagine that with that number you can check the database to see what the situation is. Whether the dog has been reported stolen and what name he is registered under.

    Because I find it hard to believe they would’ve just turned up like that for a puppy "in a crate". Sure, crating a dog like that isn't the best way of doing things, but there are so many worse cases where they claim they can't intervene... I’m very much afraid that @Panthère Noire might be right.

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    Oh dear... I'm afraid you’ve hit the nail on the head, Panthère Noire.

    I really hope that isn't it, otherwise it’s going to make things much more complicated.

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    Panthère Noire
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    A dog’s passport and pet health record aren't his actual papers... what the police were after were his identification papers!!!! His microchip registration certificate!!!! Do you even have them to prove that he is YOUR dog????
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