Dog barking when I'm out and angry neighbours

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Hi everyone!

I'm sure this has been covered before, but every situation is different, so I'm putting out a bit of an SOS.

I've just moved into a flat and I have a 5-year-old female Jack Russell.

The problem is she barks whenever I'm out, and apparently it's non-stop; my neighbours are at their wits' end... I'm worried there will be consequences if something doesn't change. She barks when she hears noise in the stairwell, or sometimes for no reason at all (according to them).

I really need this to stop because even when I'm at home and she hears a noise she barks, and it's becoming unbearable for me too, especially at 4am!...

If anyone can help, I'd be so grateful.

Thanks in advance,

Ophélie

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    Personally, I also have a dog that barks the moment I leave. I’ve tried everything, from ignoring him for 30 mins before I go and 30 mins when I get back, to ignoring him as much as possible when he's attention-seeking. I make sure I go to him rather than the other way around. But the whimpering has turned into full-on howling. Unfortunately, I live in a flat with really thin walls and I just can't have him making too much noise. I’m currently testing the Cesar Millan method: calming the dog down and getting him into a submissive state rather than an excited one before I head out. I even called in a dog behaviourist, which I have to admit earned me a bit of stick from some people. But I just wanted to do what was best for my dog. The session wasn't exactly a miracle cure, though. Since my flat isn't very big, my dog has taken on the role of a 'lookout' and wants to be the centre of attention. After a month of work, there hasn’t been any progress... The vet suggested putting him on meds, and the behaviourist didn't really help... he even recommended those anti-bark collars with citronella or mustard spray. Anyway, I’m in no position to judge anyone, but I don’t think a bark collar is the worst thing in the world if the dog isn't showing other signs of anxiety. People need to stop preaching and making owners feel guilty just so they can turn the dog world into a business and promote themselves!
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    It’s like prescribing morphine to someone with a broken arm. They won’t feel the pain anymore, but the arm is still broken! The next day, if they stop taking the tablets, they’ll be in pain again... Better to fix the arm to solve the problem for good ;) Treat the cause and not just the symptoms...
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    (continued) Unfortunately, people take it upon themselves to judge you and disapprove of certain actions when they don't know the full story... I’m brought in to assess a situation and suggest suitable solutions. When people get in touch, they don't expect me to know their dog specifically, but to understand dogs in general. If they reach out, it’s because they feel they can benefit from my knowledge and expertise where they are no longer able to cope on their own. Do I have the answer to everything? No, of course not. That’s why I’m constantly training and keeping my skills up to date. Can I find ways that aren’t coercive or aversive to ensure both owner and dog are happy? Absolutely! I’d just like to add that pain and burns aren’t the only dangers of anti-bark collars. It’s vital to understand that barking is a way of expressing an emotional state (both positive and negative). If we stop dogs from expressing their emotions in the way they naturally would, they’ll simply have to find other ways to do it. This is why it’s so important to understand the root cause rather than just treating the symptom. Since we share several primary emotions with dogs, I’ll take the liberty of making a comparison with humans. When we feel sad, we might cry. When we feel joy, we might laugh. Dogs feel sadness and joy too; they just express it differently... and that can be through barking. Now, imagine if I decided your crying or laughing was a nuisance and found a quick and "effective" way to suppress it. The sadness and joy would still be there. I wouldn’t be interested in what’s making you sad or happy; I’d just want you to stop expressing it. Psychologically speaking, that would be quite traumatic. That’s the main reason I’m categorically against using these kinds of tools. It’s a shortcut, certainly not a solution!
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    Hi @Lo0cie66,

    First off, I have to admit that the subject of bark collars really gets my back up; I’ll give you that. And in this case, my username is definitely fitting.

    However, I’m going to reply to you point by point, and in a completely calm manner.

    In the meantime, if bark collars exist, it’s because they’re effective and not dangerous for the dog

    Do you honestly think that just because something is available to buy, it doesn't pose any danger?

    in my opinion, they're designed so as not to affect their nervous system

    If the vibrations or shocks aren't picked up by the dog’s nervous system, then they won’t feel a thing. If they don’t feel anything, they won't change their behaviour and will just keep barking.

    The sensation of vibrations triggers a stress response in the body. Stress isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it always causes an imbalance in homeostasis. This imbalance almost always leads the dog to act on instinct to restore that balance. And from the moment they are driven by instinct, the dog is hardly receptive to social cues or training anymore.

    In other words, by using this, you're cutting off all communication with your dog and leaving them to deal with the situation alone.

    I look after him as if he were my own son

    I personally think that’s another mistake people make with dogs, but that’s a debate for another time.

    Don't think I've put a bark collar on him because I don't love him!

    I never said you didn't love your dog, just that you've gone for the easy option.

    To stop him getting into trouble, it was the most effective and quickest solution!

    No, a bark collar will never be a "solution". As I said before, this kind of thing only deals with the symptom, not the cause.

    You have to understand that in many cases, a dog barks to raise the alarm. In that context, the dog is doing what feels necessary to avoid a potential danger. Through their barking, they are communicating with you. From their perspective, they’ve been the perfect companion.

    However, for you and the neighbours, it’s a nuisance—which I completely understand. So what do you do? You punish them for communicating with you by putting that collar on. How do you expect your dog to understand that without any prior work on the root cause? The dog will just understand that when they bark, they get punished. Unfortunately, whatever is making them want to bark in the first place will still be there; you've just suppressed the barking itself.

    There are other methods out there... thankfully!

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    If everything people used was actually "good", I don’t think any dog would ever have issues. It's worth remembering that many things allowed in France are actually banned elsewhere because they’re viewed as animal cruelty. Personally, I don’t see a vibration collar as abuse, but I don't think it’s a proper solution. It doesn’t fix the root cause of the behaviour; it just tries to stop it without understanding why it’s happening. It suppresses the problem instead of addressing it. I’m definitely not questioning how much an owner loves their dog—I understand how following bad advice can lead to extreme situations, so I’m not judging. My parents followed some terrible advice from so-called "experts" that I won’t go into here. I really believe you can work through it; I’ve had dogs that were big barkers and, with time, you can definitely make progress.
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    In response to Humeur-De-Chien:

    Don't believe me then! Suit yourself... But at the end of the day, if bark collars exist, it's because they’re effective and not dangerous for the dog; in my opinion, they're designed so they don't affect their nervous system! Obviously I tested it on myself before putting it on him, what do you think? That I'm some kind of bad person?! It's just a vibration, a bit like those massage devices... mind you, there’s an electric mode that I don't want and refuse to use! You don't know my dog and you have no idea how difficult he is to train! I live with him every day and, despite what you might think, I look after him as if he were my own son, I take him everywhere, and he adores me! Don't go thinking I put a bark collar on him because I don't love him! Quite the opposite; it was actually quite urgent because we live at my boyfriend's workplace... To make sure he didn't get any grief, this was the quickest and most effective solution! I love dogs! I have 3 and all 3 were raised differently and they're all lovely and very happy! Unfortunately, people take it upon themselves to judge you and disapprove of certain things when they don't know the first thing about it...

    Make of that what you will...

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    As I've already said elsewhere, using a bark collar is like trying to suppress the symptom without worrying about the cause. It's just taking the easy way out... So yes, of course it works. Dogs aren't masochists. Nonetheless, using coercive and aversive methods to stop a behaviour simply shows a blatant lack of consideration and understanding for your dog. I strongly condemn the use of these kinds of tools. LoOcie66, You say you’ve tried everything. I find that very hard to believe, as it would imply that in some cases, a bark collar is the only option. I know from experience that this is simply not true. You say you were "forced" to do it. Again, I find it hard to believe that someone held a gun to your head to make you put that collar on your dog. Then you claim it doesn’t hurt at all. Have you tried the collar on yourself? Do you actually know what a series of vibrations does to a dog’s nervous and muscular system? I doubt it. More importantly, how do you explain your dog stopping the barking if it wasn't, at the very least, unpleasant for him? On the other hand, I completely believe you when you admit you didn't have the time and so chose the easy option. Knowing how to look after a dog isn't just difficult; it also takes a lot of time. A word to the wise! Hi Paline, The best advice anyone can give you is to see a dog behaviourist. It might be a good idea to let your neighbours know that you are taking steps to get help and find a solution. This will show them that you're aware of the situation and understand the nuisance it's causing. It often helps to ease tensions and buy you a bit of time. However, don't be under any illusions; the barking won't stop overnight. I would even add that for some dogs, "alert barking" is a fixed action pattern that is impossible to eliminate completely. You’ll need to work with your dog by showing him that you’ve received his warnings. To do this, as soon as your dog starts barking, get up immediately and go to the front door to pretend to check that everything is okay. Gently encourage your dog to calm down and then have him follow you once he’s settled. This should show him that he’s done his job and encourage him to move on to something else quickly. This is just one piece of advice among many. I don’t know the situation well enough to claim this will definitely work or be enough on its own. It’s worth a try, though, while you wait for a visit from one of my colleagues.
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    Fair enough, but for now he doesn't seem bothered at all; I don't even need to put the collar on him anymore! It's been really effective for me. Mind you, there are definitely some dogs you absolutely shouldn't use a collar with. My mum's dog, for instance, was terrified and stayed hidden for two days. Well, after that, my mum realised it wasn't going to work for her and gave the collar to me. My dog is properly stubborn—it's impossible to get him to understand anything easily! And since I'm a bit short on time at the moment, I'll admit I've taken the easy way out.
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    I usually work in single sessions for about £50. A vibrating collar (which many dogs just get used to anyway) and which only worked because of fear—by your own admission—would cost around £35. It’s not really a matter of budget, but of will... Choosing not to use fear or pain is a choice.

    I turned it up until it scared him, and like magic, the barking stopped!!

    Everyone trains their dog however they like, and no one is saying otherwise (though there are limits, of course), but let's not kid ourselves: when you use fear or pain, you're using fear or pain, full stop. There’s no point beating around the bush 😔

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    If your dog barks non-stop and you don't necessarily have the cash to call in a behaviourist, the best solution is the one I mentioned. After trying everything with mine—and I mean everything!—I was forced to put the collar on him. It doesn't hurt at all as it’s just vibrations! He hears the noise and, since he's only 6 months old, it unners him a bit, but now I don't get a single bark during the day while we're out! And it's not like our dog is traumatised! He's absolutely thrilled to see us when we get back, he makes a huge fuss, eats, plays, drinks and sleeps! He’s as normal as can be. At the end of the day, everyone trains their dog how they see fit... It’s like with kids and how you’re not supposed to smack them...
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