Dog barking when I'm out and angry neighbours
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Hi @Lo0cie66,
First off, I have to admit that the subject of bark collars really gets my back up; I’ll give you that. And in this case, my username is definitely fitting.
However, I’m going to reply to you point by point, and in a completely calm manner.
Do you honestly think that just because something is available to buy, it doesn't pose any danger?
If the vibrations or shocks aren't picked up by the dog’s nervous system, then they won’t feel a thing. If they don’t feel anything, they won't change their behaviour and will just keep barking.
The sensation of vibrations triggers a stress response in the body. Stress isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it always causes an imbalance in homeostasis. This imbalance almost always leads the dog to act on instinct to restore that balance. And from the moment they are driven by instinct, the dog is hardly receptive to social cues or training anymore.
In other words, by using this, you're cutting off all communication with your dog and leaving them to deal with the situation alone.
I personally think that’s another mistake people make with dogs, but that’s a debate for another time.
I never said you didn't love your dog, just that you've gone for the easy option.
No, a bark collar will never be a "solution". As I said before, this kind of thing only deals with the symptom, not the cause.
You have to understand that in many cases, a dog barks to raise the alarm. In that context, the dog is doing what feels necessary to avoid a potential danger. Through their barking, they are communicating with you. From their perspective, they’ve been the perfect companion.
However, for you and the neighbours, it’s a nuisance—which I completely understand. So what do you do? You punish them for communicating with you by putting that collar on. How do you expect your dog to understand that without any prior work on the root cause? The dog will just understand that when they bark, they get punished. Unfortunately, whatever is making them want to bark in the first place will still be there; you've just suppressed the barking itself.
There are other methods out there... thankfully!
In response to Humeur-De-Chien:
Don't believe me then! Suit yourself... But at the end of the day, if bark collars exist, it's because they’re effective and not dangerous for the dog; in my opinion, they're designed so they don't affect their nervous system! Obviously I tested it on myself before putting it on him, what do you think? That I'm some kind of bad person?! It's just a vibration, a bit like those massage devices... mind you, there’s an electric mode that I don't want and refuse to use! You don't know my dog and you have no idea how difficult he is to train! I live with him every day and, despite what you might think, I look after him as if he were my own son, I take him everywhere, and he adores me! Don't go thinking I put a bark collar on him because I don't love him! Quite the opposite; it was actually quite urgent because we live at my boyfriend's workplace... To make sure he didn't get any grief, this was the quickest and most effective solution! I love dogs! I have 3 and all 3 were raised differently and they're all lovely and very happy! Unfortunately, people take it upon themselves to judge you and disapprove of certain things when they don't know the first thing about it...
Make of that what you will...
I usually work in single sessions for about £50. A vibrating collar (which many dogs just get used to anyway) and which only worked because of fear—by your own admission—would cost around £35. It’s not really a matter of budget, but of will... Choosing not to use fear or pain is a choice.
Everyone trains their dog however they like, and no one is saying otherwise (though there are limits, of course), but let's not kid ourselves: when you use fear or pain, you're using fear or pain, full stop. There’s no point beating around the bush 😔