Leaving a dog alone for 7 or 8 hours?

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Hi everyone, I'm currently thinking about potentially adopting a German Shepherd. The only thing that's really playing on my mind is my work schedule; I'm away from 7 am until 2 pm. Other than that, I'd be able to take him out 4 or even 5 times a day: once at about 6 am before I leave to give him a good stretch, once as soon as I get back at 2 pm, another time around 5 or 6 pm, and one last time around 9 or 10 pm. I can do quite long walks since I have all the time in the world once I'm home, but I was just wondering if being gone for those 7 hours (from 7 am to 2 pm) would be a real problem for a dog like that?

PS: It wouldn't be 7 hours away every single day, as I have 2 days off on average each week, sometimes 3, and when that's the case I can take him for proper walks in the woods.

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  • Gabyn
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    You seem like a responsible owner who genuinely cares about their dog's well-being. So, as long as you're prepared to take them out every morning, come rain or shine, train them to be left alone, and give them your full attention as soon as you get back (even if you're exhausted), I don't think there’s any issue with leaving your dog for seven hours. Honestly, many dogs have it much, much worse than that. Also, keeping a dog in a flat isn't a problem. It’s obviously a bit of a pain having to trek down the stairs morning and night for toilet breaks instead of just opening a back door, but the upside is that you’re forced to take them out. They get to socialise with other dogs, sniff plenty of new scents, see lots of people, and learn so much more than they would if they were just stuck in a garden all day.
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    Hi everyone, So many people leave their dogs on their own for 6, 8, or 10 hours because we all have to work, don't we... I got my Jack Russell at three and a half months old. The breeder had already socialised her really well; she was great with other dogs, people, and so on—even on the tube and in the car, she was spot on. I had to teach the little one to stay home alone from the very first week: I started with short absences (nipping out for a loaf of bread, getting the post, etc.) and made sure not to give her any attention the second I walked back through the door. I was working part-time back then, so I was gone for five hours. I’d take her out for 15–20 minutes at 7:00 am before work, and then a proper 45-minute walk when I got back at 1:30 pm. While I was out, she only had access to the kitchen and the bathroom. She had a corner there with her bowls and her bed, and we’d set up a "puppy pad"—it’s a flat plastic tray with a sort of disposable liner—which is where we first started house-training her. Obviously, at that age, they aren't house-trained yet and don't really understand, so I’d have to clean up a bit everywhere whenever I got home, but you get there eventually by limiting their space. She didn't make a sound at first, but then she started barking as soon as I left. I used to hide behind the door to see how long it lasted, and I know she only barked for a minute before stopping. You have to remember that puppies sleep a lot anyway. Then, when she turned one, I got a full-time job. My partner and I would usually leave at 7:30 am and not get back until about 7:00 pm. It broke my heart to leave her for 12 hours, especially a Jack Russell with that much energy, so we decided to save money on other things each month to afford a dog sitter. They’d come round every day at about 1:00 pm for an hour’s walk. It cost about £10 an hour, but there you go... We’d make up for it in the evening when we got home with a long walk, and we did big walks on the weekends too. To house-train a puppy, you really do have to take them out constantly—after they've napped, after they've eaten, after they've played, etc. It’s exhausting and sometimes feels hopeless. But then one day, it just clicks and they’re house-trained, and you don't even know why. Mine was finally house-trained at 7 months; she just got it overnight. That didn't mean she could hold it for 10 hours, though; she still had the odd accident during the day when we weren't there. She’s six now and still barks for a minute when I leave, but none of the neighbours has complained so far. Given her energy levels, if I’m going out for the evening to a restaurant or the cinema, I’ll take her for a big hour-long walk so she tires herself out. Then, when I get back at 11:00 pm or midnight, she gets another good 30-minute walk.
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    I wouldn't necessarily say that show-line GSDs are that much "less active" than working-line ones. It’s just that working lines are much more demanding, have a tougher character, and are less forgiving of mistakes than their show-line counterparts. So yes, an under-exercised show-line dog will make it less obvious than a working-line one, but theoretically, they both have the same physical capacity. @Flew, why a GSD anyway? I’m not a fan of leaving a puppy alone for long periods, not so much because of house training or destructive behaviour—let's be honest, those kinds of accidents happen even if you're home 24/7. But yes, it will slow down their training. It's mainly about the puppy's overall stability; having someone around regularly so you can spend as much time as possible with them during such a crucial stage of their mental development. Getting a 4-month-old puppy isn't exactly the best idea. Sure, it’ll save you a few months of being on "mop-up duty" for accidents, but you’ll be getting a puppy just as their socialisation window is closing, and you’d have to really trust the breeder to have done the work. Between 10 and 12 weeks is fine. Any earlier or later and it gets more complicated.
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    Yeah, working line GSDs are often more active and tend to demand a lot of attention from their owners (mind you, even though some lines are sold as "show lines", I know a show GSD who is constantly on the go.)

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    Hi there,

    As mentioned above, the hardest part if you get a puppy is accepting that they’re going to have accidents in the flat while you're out, and you'll have to clean it up.

    I went through this with my first dog quite a few years ago, and like Cindouy said, it was pretty overwhelming. You start wondering if it’s always going to be like that (the crying at night, the accidents in the house, the mischief) and you end up feeling really anxious. But don’t panic, it does get better.

    What we used to do was only give him access to the kitchen and the hallway when we were out, because they had tiled floors, which were much easier to clean than the wooden floors. I should mention the kitchen was big! ;-) Later on, he had the run of the whole house. In the end, he was house-trained fairly quickly. You still get the odd accident now and then, but it’s not the end of the world; if he’s done a wee, it’s simply because he couldn't hold it any longer.

    Since you have days off and a big block of free time after 2pm, it’s definitely doable.

    Regarding the breed, as long as you tire them out well and give them plenty of good walks, there’s no problem. My second dog was a Dutch Shepherd cross Beauceron; we lived in a flat and worked... and there were no issues at all. She was as good as gold while we were at work—no chewing things, no barking. All she did was hop up on the sofa, probably for a snooze; she wasn't supposed to, but oh well, never mind.

    She got long walks when we were home, in different places to vary the stimuli, the smells, and so on.

    My current dog, a Shar Pei, handles it well too. She just sleeps when we aren't there, and we take her out a lot—four times a day.

    Then there are the extra bits; we always manage to have the dog with us when we go out, whether it’s to restaurants, cafés, or pubs... in the summer it’s easy with beer gardens and terraces.

    We don't go out for big nights out much anymore; usually, we go to friends' houses and the dog comes with us.

    It’s a whole lifestyle. I’m not saying you can’t go out with friends one evening—of course you can, as long as it’s not every night! :-) Just make sure you train them well so they can go almost anywhere with you; it’s brilliant when they can.

    I don't want to start a big debate about it either, but I think you can definitely have a dog in a flat while working. That’s not the issue—it’s about what you can offer the dog.

    When they’re a puppy, tidy away anything you don’t want them to wreck and leave them some toys. Since you're already working, they’ll understand that you leave but you always come back. It’s perhaps harder for a dog whose owner doesn't work and then suddenly starts a job.

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    Tityswood
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    Regarding the choice of breed: I think a show-line GSD (or whatever the term is) is much less high-energy than one from a working line, so there's less of a need to wear them out.

    By the way, I reckon the other members won't be bothered to repeat what they wrote a few minutes ago here: https://wamiz.com/chiens/staffordshire-bull-terrier-300/forum/laisser-son-chien-tout-seul-pendant-au-8h-69517.html

    For my part, I'll post what I wrote in the thread above again here:

    "To add a bit of nuance to what’s been said earlier, no one here is saying you can't have a dog if you work. Getting a puppy, however, is a different story.

    In my opinion, if the time away is well-prepared, I think you can definitely leave a pooch home alone while you're at work, especially if it's only 3 days a week...

    On the other hand, for a puppy, it's more problematic. Because of house training and the behavioural issues that it can lead to...

    In this 'war' over 'leaving your dog at home while you work', I find that everyone is very quick to jump down your throat without considering this distinction. Leaving a puppy home alone for that long is a bit iffy. Doing the same with an older dog is much more reasonable.

    Anyway, that's just my two pence! Just keep in mind that a puppy is extremely high-maintenance, a lot of work, patience, etc."

    About the car, you're right: it's out of the question. Seriously. Like, never! You’d be putting your dog in real danger!

    And just so you know, @Cindouy, reputable breeders wait until 3 months before rehoming a puppy, whereas dodgy breeders sell them at 8 weeks... :)

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    Cindouy
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    It’s true that living in a flat doesn't make things easy. I have a few reservations about the choice of breed; it seems to me that a German Shepherd is quite high-energy and needs plenty of exercise (mind you, I’m no expert, I’ve only had my first dog for four months so I’m a total novice). Won’t he just end up pacing around the flat? I reckon you’ll need to really tire him out so he’s settled during the day and doesn’t get into too much mischief. That said, there are loads of enrichment toys available, like Kongs, which you can stuff with food to make it more of a challenge and keep him occupied. But it’s true that a bored dog can quickly become destructive and cause a lot of damage, or lead to the nuisance barking you’re worried about. I’m not sure what to recommend for that specifically, so I’ll let the other members give you their advice. As for the age you bring the puppy home, breeders usually let them go as soon as they’re weaned (8 weeks). It might be worth seeing if they can keep him a bit longer; I managed to arrange that with my breeder, and they agreed to keep him until he was nearly three months old. I was off work when I finally got him, so I had plenty of time to look after him and settle him in.
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    Hi @cindouy, thanks for your reply. I do actually live in a flat (I forgot to mention that), so when I head off to work, well, I’ve only got two options. I could potentially take him in the car with me so I can go and see him during my breaks, but I’ve thought about it and leaving him in the car wouldn't be good for him at all; it's far too cramped. So, I’ll leave him in the flat with some toys, even though I know a dog on its own doesn't really play with them much—usually they prefer playing when their owner is there, from what I’ve read online. As for any mess or the house-training, I’ve fully accepted that, even if I know there’ll probably be a bit of a gap between what I’m imagining and the reality of it! But it’s fine, I’m motivated lol. Plus, since I live alone and don't have any particular commitments outside of work, I’ll have plenty of time to dedicate to him. It’s true that the first few months when they are a puppy are the hardest, so maybe it's best not to get a 2-month-old? Maybe try to get a puppy at 4 months if possible? Although, I don't suppose that would fundamentally change things. Anyway, worst-case scenario, it’s not the end of the world and I won't mind cleaning up. What I'm mostly worried about is the barking, and him potentially struggling with being left alone in the flat. I think as soon as I get him, I’ll need to get him used to being on his own, for example when I pop out to the shops or something, so that my departure and the time I’m away isn't something he gets anxious about. I want it to become something normal and not stressful for him.
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    Cindouy
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    Hi @Flew,

    I’m just copying and pasting a reply I wrote for a similar thread.

    This topic is a real bone of contention; you’ve got the "yes, it’s doable" crowd and the "no, I don't see the point in getting a dog if you're just going to leave it on its own" lot, or those who say "get a pet sitter"—knowing that costs around £10 a day and adds up to a tidy sum by the end of the month!

    I go to a dog training club and most of the owners work every day; some pop home at lunchtime and others don’t. I was chatting to a young woman who lives in a flat and can’t get home at midday; her dog is left alone for 7 hours a day and at 5 months old he’s already house-trained (she’s very lucky, because mine isn't yet and I actually do come home at lunch!). I’ve also spoken to other members on here who leave their dogs all day too.

    So, it’s not impossible. However, you really need to be aware that there will likely be many, many accidents when it comes to house-training, and you have to be prepared for that—personally, I wasn't at all. At the start, you’ll be cleaning up morning, noon, and night because a puppy needs to go out every 2 or 3 hours. The general rule is usually the puppy’s age in months plus one; so, a 2-month-old puppy can hold it for about 3 hours. Your flat will smell of dog mess, you’ll get fed up, and it can take quite a long time to get over it. You’ll need to be patient and stay zen, which really isn't easy.

    You do have one advantage though: you won't be working every day, so you'll be around quite a bit.

    I’ve mentioned house-training, but your dog might also get up to mischief (destroying furniture, chewing shoes, etc.); you need to be prepared for that too and take precautions to stop it happening—especially as I believe (though I’m no expert) that a German Shepherd needs to burn off a lot of energy! Where are you planning on leaving your dog while you’re out?

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