Blue Bay Shepherd / Timber Shepherd

Vaihau

08/07/2020, 05:49

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Hi everyone,

I’m looking for a breeder similar to the 'Le Pacte des Loups' kennel in France, but who sells puppies that haven’t been neutered yet.

Many thanks!

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Anonymous user Icon representing the flag French

08/07/2020, 11:21

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Hi there, The breeders of these dogs aren't willing to sell their puppies as fertile because they don't want to lose their financial monopoly on the breed. Don't go shelling out around £1,400 for an unrecognised animal; it's like throwing money down the drain. No official recognition, no Kennel Club registration—it's pointless. It’s just a dog bred for its looks with no other purpose than to be a garden ornament or look pretty on the end of a lead. If the creators had at least used working ability as a selection criterion, the approach might have been more justified... But in this case, a "companion wolfdog" is just ego and cash talking, not a love for the breed or the dog.

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Maelfie

08/07/2020, 11:18

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There’s only one breeder in France, "Le Pacte des Loups", and neutering is mandatory. I’m not sure if they are still breeding Blue Bay Shepherds, but they do have Timber Shepherds and Nordic Timbers. I completely agree with @Caroline-Eg; the Timber Shepherds look more like old-style GSDs and the Nordic Timbers look like Nordic breeds, costing anywhere between £1,350 and £2,100 (depending on the colours and the litter). From the few photos I’ve seen on their Facebook page, there’s a dog with a physique that "looks like a wolf".

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Anonymous user Icon representing the flag French

08/07/2020, 11:05

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I’m 100% with @Caroline-Eg on this one. It’s a "developing" breed, very similar to the Altdeutsche Schäferhund...

Even physically, like @Caroline-Eg said, many of them look just like them; only a tiny minority actually have a wolf-like appearance. And even then, those are the ones they show off on Google Images, but in the flesh...

Anyway, not only is this breed about as rare as a diamond, but it's also not very well-established yet and looks like an old-style GSD in many ways. At the end of the day, why this breed? You might as well just look into an Altdeutsche Schäferhund, surely?

You’re right, @Caroline-Eg, it’s like a game of spot the difference... the first one looks like a grey GSD/old-type GSD, the second like a sort of grey Husky, and the last one like a Border Collie, or at least some kind of shepherd dog.

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Caroline-eg Icon representing the flag French

08/07/2020, 10:51

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Anyone can breed a pet wolfdog by crossing it with over 90% German Shepherd. You’ll find more wolf-like behaviour in Northern breeds than in that dog. Maybe the Nordic Timber is worth a look, but even then, I’m not sure. As far as I’m concerned, they’re just GSDs and Northern breeds being sold for ridiculous prices. Especially when you can get an old-style GSD for around £1,100; there’s a breeder near me who even sells all their GSDs for the same price, including the ones with blue coats.

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Caroline-eg Icon representing the flag French

08/07/2020, 10:46

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There are only two breeders in the world and neutering is mandatory. Honestly, I don't see the point of this breed as they look so much like old-style GSDs or Northern types in the case of the Nordic Timber. You’d get the same result by crossing a blue GSD with a Husky or a Malamute. It’s a pseudo-breed that isn’t established or consistent—it's even less of a breed than the Pomsky. At least some proper work has gone into the Tamaskan. Anyway, you’re better off looking at old-style GSDs; they're an actual breed and were used for 90% of the foundation of this "breed" anyway. For the most part, Blue Bays and Timber Shepherds are just old-style GSDs being sold for a fortune. Welcome to a game of spot the difference.

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Anonymous user Icon representing the flag French

08/07/2020, 10:27

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I’ve just done a bit of digging into this breed as I hadn't come across them before. It seems the goal is to breed "pet" wolf-dogs... make of that what you will.

I don’t think you’ll find many breeders for them here in the UK.

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Anonymous user Icon representing the flag French

08/07/2020, 10:27

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Hi there, not to be a killjoy, but it makes total sense that they’re neutered. As the breed is still being developed, it would be irresponsible to give this kind of dog to a novice owner without having them neutered first. There's too much of a risk of accidental litters that would completely undermine the breed's progress.

There are very few of these dogs around, and it's not just about breeders wanting a monopoly; I think it’s perfectly reasonable to sell a puppy already neutered. You get your pet, and the breed's future is safe.

If you really want an intact dog, I’d strongly suggest looking into a more established and less "exotic" breed.

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Archibaldjolivet Icon representing the flag French

08/07/2020, 10:08

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Hi there, I hadn’t come across this breed before, they really are stunning dogs. I love them. Mind you, even if you’re looking to get a dog, it’s always worth thinking about adoption as well! :)

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