Blue Bay Shepherd / Timber Shepherd

Hi Chienloup,

I must admit I’ve given up on the project due to some personal circumstances.

However, I’m still curious to hear what you’ve found.

Do you live in Tahiti? Well, that’s a bit of a no-brainer, lol. "I think there are better environments for these dogs." Maybe try doing some research before spouting such rubbish. The mere fact that you start with "I think" shows your lack of interest and knowledge on the matter. Unless your intuition is divine, in which case, my apologies. Sorry to disappoint you again, but I’m perfectly aware of all the actual challenges involved in breeding. That’s why I want to set up a very small-scale breeding setup and, most importantly, take my time. Besides, inbreeding is a major issue over here. As you (hopefully) know, it leads to complications like diseases, disabilities, and so on. Bringing in new Shepherds (and yes, there are plenty of long-haired German Shepherds in Tahiti, so stop with the clichés) is mainly a way to avoid breeding dogs from the same bloodline. Do you have a problem with money? If so, be a bit more explicit; I’d really like to understand where you’re coming from.

The original question was clear, wasn't it? It would be nice if you could avoid all the useless judgement and give a bit of credit to anyone asking questions—but then again, if it brings you some kind of comfort and pleasure, then fine! Carry on.

Have a lovely day!

PS: I have a German Shepherd myself; I know the breed a little bit.

Right, I see. So you want two dogs—presumably a breeding pair given your plans.

To breed them, not to 'make money' as such, but to recoup the initial cost and make a bit of extra cash on the side...

But without any actual breeding goals; just like that, without any health tests, proper selection of the parents, etc.

Anyway... each to their own, I suppose. But in my book, thinking about making your money back before you've even got the dogs isn't what I’d call 'loving dogs'!

Especially as you're in Tahiti and were looking at Nordic breeds... I think there are much better environments for those dogs than that. Even German Shepherds—I really don't think they're the best choice for dogs that are going to be living in Tahiti...

There’s a reason why all the local island rescues have short hair. And why, on the other hand, dogs living in the cold have thick coats.

Wanting a dog like a German Shepherd when you live in Tahiti is purely selfish, in my opinion! It has absolutely nothing to do with being a dog lover, especially not when you’re planning to make your money back and supplement your income by producing litters...

I’m going to look into old-style GSDs right now; they're a much more sensible choice for what I have in mind. I live in Tahiti and I’m planning to set up a small breeding kennel in a year or two.

Shipping alone is going to cost over £8,500 for two dogs. The idea is to recoup the initial investment and then maybe supplement my income later on, though I’m not really looking to make a fortune. I just love dogs and want to have them on my future large property (about 2.5 acres), or perhaps even more.

"The goal of this breeder is to produce a dog with a wolf-like appearance, but with a temperament that is more flexible than most wolfdogs. To achieve this, Spencer has crossed the latter with German Shepherds, hoping to retain the blue-tinted coat, loyalty, and ease of training."

This text is talking about the Blue Bay Shepherd.

It’s absolute rubbish, to put it politely. There you go—a magnificent 'off-the-shelf' dog, available in a stunning colour (isn’t blue considered a breed fault?), your very own pet wolf! Easy to start up—sorry, I meant 'train'—and why not a dog that cuddles bunnies too while we're at it?

They’re selling us a wolfdog without the downsides of a wolfdog; a beautiful 'wolf' with a lovely colour, but not wild like other wolfdogs, mind you.

I don't like this kind of breed creation at all... these crosses are almost always hit-and-miss, aimed at producing a wolf-like dog where most of them just look like GSDs and have temperaments that are totally unpredictable. They aren't actually improving the breed because they're afraid of compromising between the 'blue-tinted coat, loyalty, and ease of training' and the 'wolf' look... it's all about aesthetics.

I’m honestly speechless.

@Caroline-Eg £1,350 for the entry-level price lol, you’d think it was a tool catalogue! 😁

("Hmm, well then, for those on a budget we have the classic colour, very durable, 6-month parts and labour warranty... In the next range up, £1,700, a lovely shade, light eyes to match the coat and finally, top of the range, £2,100, our pride and joy... Have you made your choice? Hmm?")

I didn’t know the old-style GSD was recognised in Germany! That's good news, given the extreme selective breeding our German neighbours are capable of.... Much better to bank on a dog with a temperament and build that’s been properly followed and worked on. Besides, it seems to me this breed has a wide range of colours. Basically getting the best of both worlds.