Advice needed: Romanian rescue dogs

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Hi everyone,

I'm looking to adopt a dog this year. I was originally looking at breeders for my future puppy, but recently I've come across some rescues that save Romanian dogs and find them homes in the UK. I've spotted a puppy born in September 2017 who could be transported over on 15th March if my application is successful. They'll do a "cat test" once the adoption paperwork is approved.

The only thing is, I'd need to raise the height of my garden fence before he arrives, which might be a bit tight time-wise. Does anyone have any experience with this? How high should a fence be for a dog that will weigh about 44 lbs (roughly 3 stone) as an adult?

Has anyone on here adopted a Romanian dog through a rescue? How did they settle into your home? Do you have cats, and if so, how did the introductions go?

Thanks in advance to anyone who replies! :)

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    Hi @Van_do,

    Thanks for taking the time to explain everything in such detail; I think it’s really helpful because this thread has been bumped several times (along with others like it), and I’m sure it’s a regular go-to for people currently doing their research or weighing up their options.

    I think the main point that comes across so clearly in your post is that you are a "rescue" organisation, and that word has a real weight to it—something that potential adopters might not always fully grasp in terms of its depth and implications.

    What’s more, I honestly feel that the whole concept of rescue and adoption is often sugar-coated these days. The instant nature and ease of social media create this illusion of a virtual shop window, which can give the uninformed public the impression that rescuing an animal is a walk in the park (just pick your puppy, add it to your basket, and it’ll be delivered to you for free via a pet transport run).

    The sheer scale of the work and the resources deployed by everyone involved in the rescue chain often remain "hazy" concepts relegated to the background.

    In short, it’s a bit of a double-edged sword with the digital age... modern tools allow us to spread the word on a massive scale, which is a positive thing as it helps facilitate so many more rescues, but on the flip side, the apparent simplicity of the process is totally disconnected from the actual reality of the mission, especially for those working on the ground.

    The public wants to believe that everything is beautiful and perfect, just like on Instagram, and they’re much less keen to hear about the diseases or the heartbreakingly high number of animals that we simply won’t be able to save.

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    If you aren’t managing, it’s either because you couldn’t care less and you completely overestimated your own resilience when it comes to welcoming a new family member, or because you aren’t listening to the advice given, or you’re projecting your own anxieties—which you're often not even aware of—onto the dog.

    When you’re asked if you can keep them separate from other pets at home, it’s for a reason; it’s because they need time to settle in.

    But all those people who return a dog because it bared its teeth at another dog, or because it "scared" a family member, or for any other supposedly "valid" reason, are usually just people who can’t be bothered to put in the work. Above all, they don’t try to analyse the situation, or they take bad advice from self-proclaimed "super trainers" who want to assert dominance over the dog instead of trying to understand it.

    Another thing: when you watch those adoption shows on telly and see people even going to the RSPCA to give up their pets, don’t you ever wonder if it’s the fault of the rescue or the breeder they bought it from? Honestly, use a bit of common sense, engage your brain cells and try to broaden your perspective.

    Why not take a look at yourself and ask where you went wrong? Is that too complicated? You’d rather blame the rescues because it saves you from having to admit you weren’t up to the task. Is your self-image so precious that you can’t let it take even a tiny hit?

    To be perfectly honest, dogs that aren't adoptable aren't put up for adoption. If you’ve adopted a dog, whether it’s from Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary, Moldova, Ukraine, or even Russia or China—not forgetting the Spanish ones—well, you wanted to do a rescue, didn't you? And when you hand the dog back after three days because it’s peed on the carpet or for some other flimsy excuse, it’s quite simply selfish.

    It’s very rare to find a dog that won’t settle in eventually, given enough time.

    You didn’t listen to what you were told during the pre-adoption phone interviews; you were so convinced you were doing a "good deed" and you didn't do it for the dog—you did it to give your own ego a pat on the back.

    Something to think about: Give a dog a bad name and hang him.

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    Hi everyone,

    A bit of advice for anyone thinking about adopting a Romanian dog:

    1/ You really must follow the advice given by the rescue charities.

    2/ I have three amazing Romanian dogs myself.

    One came from a rescue; he’s an absolute sweetheart, weighing about 6 stone 4 lbs (40kg), and he adores children, babies, cats, and other dogs, both male and female.

    One I took directly from a Romanian public shelter through a brilliant charity that helped me bring her over. She was very, very timid at first, but with plenty of goodwill and patience, she’s now perfectly behaved and follows my lead completely.

    The third I took in as a foster; she was totally shut down at the start but is doing great now and is happy to come and sniff our visitors.

    They are all in good health. Even if the two females were a bit traumatised at first because of what they’d been through, if you respect them and don't just chuck them into a pack of dogs or a crowd of cats without doing proper introductions, they’ll be fine—though things can go wrong if you're not careful, just like with any other dog.

    In short, you need to use your head; these are rescue dogs with a past, just like the ones you’d find in any local RSPCA or shelter here in the UK.

    To sum up, these aren't dogs for people looking for a trendy accessory or those who aren't prepared to put in the work. They aren't "ready-made" dogs, and adopting a pet isn't like a trip to the toy shop after Christmas! You need to put in some personal effort, and if you’re willing to give them that (by which I mean patience, love, and above all, respect) and use a bit of common sense, you’ll have an absolute treasure at home.

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    @Anneha: dogs rescued straight from a shelter or the pound are dirty, there’s no doubt about that! We aren't going to wash 40 dogs before they arrive in the UK just so they smell nice to please the adopters... For some, a bath would be yet another trauma in what's already been a terrifying journey (being dumped at the pound, moved to a rescue, neutered, vaccinated, living in a kennel with other dogs, then being stuck in a transport van for a 35-hour drive...). Some are indeed skinny or injured because they were only rescued a short while ago in a terrible state; it happens. As I’ve said before, the temperaments described are the ones we observed at the rescue. In a completely different and unfamiliar environment, these dogs can have all sorts of fears, and patience is usually the best answer. You have to give them time to understand who we are and what we want from them, and don't forget they've often been quite severely mistreated.
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    Irma8067: As mentioned before, Romanian rescues aren't for everyone and they’re rarely suitable for people with no previous experience. However, for a committed owner who’s truly prepared to put in the work, giving them plenty of time and love, you usually see huge improvements in a very short space of time. On our end, we have a permanent dog trainer at the shelter over in Romania who works with the dogs constantly, and we also offer every new adopter a one-hour video call session with a partner trainer here in the UK to help prepare as much as possible for the arrival of your new pooch. They can also provide follow-up support once the dog has settled into its new home. But nothing can make up for a lack of effort or commitment from the owner; there’s no magic wand when it comes to an animal that has been through such incredibly difficult times.
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    Regarding the lack of a home check in your case, looking at when you posted your message, I think we had simply entered lockdown at the time of your request. We had to suspend all pre-adoption visits then due to the public health situation. These were reinstated once lockdown was lifted. Regarding the "proper inspection" you mentioned, I can assure you it definitely takes place. Our shelter in Pascani, Romania, is fully registered and legalised, and we receive unannounced inspections from the local veterinary services at least twice a year. We actually had one a few days ago, for example, which was also attended by the country's animal police. Furthermore, the shelter doors are open to anyone who wishes to visit us, and we have welcomed many volunteers and interns since the shelter opened in December 2015. @Gigi397: I’m certainly not going to congratulate you for supporting backyard breeding, especially when you see the number of abandoned animals looking for a forever home every day... Breeding by private individuals is one of the primary causes, if not the number one cause, of abandonment.
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    Marcidf: the term 'shifting stock' is quite shocking... We aren't animal dealers; we rescue animals and try to save as many as possible – every single one of them deserves a happy life. I assume it was a puppy you were looking to adopt, and the rest of your message confirms that... We get a huge number of adoption applications for puppies; we are sometimes literally swamped with requests, and there are often approved applicants who are simply waiting to choose a puppy. This means that as soon as we rescue a new litter, these people get to pick the pup they want to save. There's nothing shady about it; a dog can only be reserved at the very end of the adoption process once the application has been approved. Because puppy reservations happen very, very quickly, whole litters are sometimes reserved in just a few days by applicants who have already been through the vetting process. Regarding parvovirus, it’s a horrific disease that’s very common in Romania, and it’s something all the rescues working in that country have to fight constantly. It’s extremely widespread, and the mortality rate is 80%. Every puppy we rescue gets their first parvo jab immediately, then three weeks later they get a second vaccination including rabies, followed by a booster three weeks after that. It’s only after this full vaccination course is complete that a puppy can be brought over to the UK. Parvo is a sneaky disease that can flare up overnight, often after the first or second jab, which can 'trigger' a latent infection. A puppy can be doing wonderfully one day, then be found dead the next from a sudden, aggressive case of parvo without us being able to do anything. Our puppies obviously see a vet in Romania as soon as we rescue them, and they’ll have all their boosters, but they can only be brought to the UK once they are fully vaccinated. At that point, they are completely protected against parvovirus and will be seen by another vet for a health check upon arrival in the UK.
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    Alicinee: yes, it’s true that trolls are rife in the animal welfare world and they love nothing more than having a go at people who give up their dogs. We aren't responsible for that and we certainly don't encourage any hate—quite the opposite. We’re here to find urgent solutions for rehoming animals that have been surrendered after arriving in the UK; that’s the only thing that matters to us. And no, an animal isn’t "mental" (well done for such a derogatory choice of words), and if two out of four of your friends have given up their dogs after adopting them, I think that raises some serious questions... But not about the nature of our dogs, only about the fact that they were clearly not the right fit for your friends. Adopting a Romanian rescue isn’t for everyone; I’ll repeat it and stress it again: we make this reality very clear before every adoption and we really hammer it home so that potential adopters fully realise what they are taking on. These are dogs that have often suffered immensely; they have a history and come from a country where they are culled and treated like vermin, and that inevitably takes its toll... Mamaelfie: what information were you after regarding the rescue? We usually get back to people quickly and are happy to help, and I’m sure both our forum and our website can already answer plenty of your questions.
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    @Arianeshoes: I can't believe you're coming on here to slate our rescue after giving up Idylle. There are photos of Idylle on her post from the shelter where you can clearly see her with other dogs without the slightest bit of aggression; at the rescue centre, she never once had an aggressive reaction towards any other dog. It is clearly stated and explained during the pre-adoption call that the description of a dog's temperament is based on how they behave at the rescue, and that this can change once they get to their new home because the context and environment are completely different... These dogs have lacked everything: a family, food, warmth, care... Suddenly, they find themselves in a home where they have it all. They need time to realise that this is for keeps and that they have nothing left to fear. They are often traumatised dogs who have been through terrible things, and when they arrive, some adopters expect them to behave "normally" as if they’d never suffered at all... Some dogs have that immediate, total resilience, but for others, the road is a bit longer. But at the end of that road, they are wonderful companions who give back a hundred times the love they receive! We got Idylle into a foster home very quickly—a fosterer who has several dogs of all sizes and genders—and there haven't been any issues there... She has been adopted again and is heading to her new family today.

    You don't live with your mother-in-law and vice versa; you’re talking about occasional pet-sitting because "that's your lifestyle". Solutions could have been found, and I spoke to you about them over the phone: using a dog sitter or a boarding kennel when you needed cover, finding another family member or a friend to look after your dog while you were away, or even taking her with you whenever possible??? It was a flat refusal: "no, that's not our lifestyle." And yet, those solutions would have prevented the abandonment of a little dog that you yourself described as being perfect in every other way (house-trained, well-behaved, lovely...).

    You could have also worked with a behaviourist; you were in contact with our trainer as recently as the day before, but again, the option of working with the dog was immediately rejected because "it would take too long and the result wasn't guaranteed." Perhaps so, but surely it’s worth it if it stops you from giving up your dog????

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    Hello, I am taking the opportunity to exercise our right of reply as a charity that rescues animals from Romania, to respond to various comments posted here that have been shared with me. Our rescue was clearly named: Remember Me France. I would therefore like to address the points raised. Aggie19: the term "Romanian dog trade" seems very inappropriate for describing the charities that rescue dogs in that country. We are not traffickers; we rescue dogs who are at risk of being slaughtered, put down, or simply left abandoned on the streets. I would really suggest you travel to Romania to see the reality of the situation for dogs there yourself; you will soon realise that your choice of words was quite misplaced.
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