How can I reduce my dog's reactivity towards other entire males?

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Hi everyone, Neels is an Australian Shepherd who is now 10 months old. Everything was going really well from the moment we got him (at 8 weeks old from a breeder); Neels saw quite a few dogs, but unfortunately mostly young ones (who weren't necessarily well-socialised), so I think he picked up some slightly rough habits. He’s never been mean, though—just a real bundle of energy.

This carried on until he was about 7 or 8 months old, when an unneutered male Boxer who wasn't part of his usual playgroup tried to mount him and a scrap broke out. The fight wasn't anything major; we stepped in pretty quickly and I thought that was the end of it. However, it seems that since that day, Neels picks fights with entire males (except for one, his childhood friend). I've sought advice here and there and we decided to bring forward the date for him to be neutered (we’d already decided to have him "done" eventually). So, Neels was neutered 10 days ago.

I'm not pinning all my hopes on the operation; I'm also seeing a behaviourist at the same time to work on the aggression issues towards other males.

I'm posting today partly to hear from people who have been through something similar (targeted male aggression and the effects of neutering). I've looked everywhere and the subject comes up often, but without any real conclusion on how things turned out. I also wanted to share my own story and try to keep a bit of a diary to help any future owners facing the same problem by showing how mine progresses, if that’s of interest.

In any case, if you have any feedback or experiences to share, I'd love to hear them as this situation is making me quite sad. Off-lead walks are more complicated now, so for the time being, we're 100% on a long line.

Thanks for reading and I hope to get some replies.

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    Just for the record, I’ve never told a client they have to get their pet neutered; I simply explain the pros and cons and they make an informed decision.
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    You have a fascinating knack for twisting people's words to suit your own agenda. 😁 I couldn't give a toss about your opinion of my skills, but I would be interested to know why you have such a general issue with dog trainers – some kind of repressed desire?
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    Sorry to cause any concern, and it’s very kind of you to warn everyone about my skills. I know a few people on here have a bit of an issue with dog trainers, but that’s fine. Obviously, the main issue is linked to females being in season. That said, when you're out and about, dogs don't exactly wear signs telling you whether they’re in season or not, and I could tell you plenty of stories where two intact males have fought over Aby, even though she was spayed 11 years ago. We’re all entitled to our own views on neutering, but in my humble opinion, having a male dog neutered does get rid of a fair few behavioural issues.

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    I'm willing to accept that an owner's state of mind can influence a dog's behaviour, but I don't believe for a second that it creates it from scratch. Every time my dog has been attacked by an entire male, he was off-lead and a good distance away from me, and the two dogs were managing their own interaction. More often than not, I actually realise a dog is an entire male based on his behaviour and how my dogs react to him, long before I see what’s between his legs. Scuffles between entire males are even seen in feral dogs, far away from any human influence. As for the possibility of changing things through training... yes, of course, you can improve things considerably. But generally, you don't get past a certain level of tolerance. I don’t know anyone with an entire male who has a history of fighting other males due to sexual rivalry who has managed, without neutering and through training alone, to make the dog reliable enough in his interactions to be let off-lead with total confidence and give him back his autonomy in how he handles meeting other dogs. Even if you can control your own dog, you can't control other people's, so you’re constantly taking the risk that your dog, while undergoing rehabilitation, will get attacked simply because he "smells" like an entire male... it’s hard to make progress on reactivity under those conditions.
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    I think it’s a shame to suggest that the person solved the issue solely through neutering.

    On the contrary, she explains that it wasn’t just the castration that fixed the reactivity; she worked with a dog trainer and put in a lot of hard work herself over time.

    The subject is always a bit of a minefield and, like many things, I’m always surprised by how dogmatic people can be about it.

    Of course, neutering won’t get rid of aggression in some dogs, but it’s quite a leap to suggest that two entire males won’t show more aggression when there are females around.

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    It’s lovely of you to pop back and give us an update, thanks!

    You’ve mentioned Neels' behaviour, but have you noticed any difference in how other males (especially entire ones) are acting towards your dog?

    People often talk about the impact of neutering on the dog itself (with the much-debated idea that it might reduce aggression), but we rarely hear about how it affects the way other dogs perceive him.

    And yet, in my experience, that’s actually where the main effect lies.

    I live with three males, all neutered. Because they’ve been "done", they very rarely get hassled by other males.

    It was particularly striking with my Poodle, as I left him entire until he was a year old. As soon as he hit puberty, other males started attacking him for no reason at all (a bit like Neels lunging at an entire male during agility classes just because he "smells too much like a male"). Neutering him (chemical at first, now surgical) drastically reduced these types of situations and allowed him to regain his confidence around other dogs.

    Honestly, I think neutering is almost essential for sorting out these male-on-male aggression issues. It’s not enough on its own, obviously; once a dog has picked up bad habits or had bad experiences ingrained, there’s always a fair bit of retraining and desensitisation work to do—which is even longer and harder if the situation has been left to fester. But it helps, I think, if only by changing how other dogs perceive him. Because trying to retrain an entire male when his very scent can trigger hostility in others... well, I think that can turn out to be quite a challenge.

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    Thanks for the update :) It’s lovely to get some news.
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    Hi everyone, I’m keeping my promise to give you all an update on Neels and share our experience. Quick recap: Neels is a male who started being reactive towards other males (mainly entire ones) from the age of 8 months. He was neutered at 11 months. Looking back, neutering didn't have a direct impact on his behaviour. Neels still reacted after being done. However, I do think it helped settle him down – mind you, that’s just my impression, perhaps something else helped without me realising. What definitely had a major effect, though, was the hard WORK. Sadly, there’s no such thing as a miracle cure. When I talk about work, I mean: - Taking the leap and seeing a canine behaviourist. - Being careful with introductions, but definitely not stopping socialising with other dogs. - Rewarding good behaviour and marking the bad (I’m neither strictly for nor against "positive-only" training). I take the time to chat with other owners we meet to organise walks to desensitise my boy when the other dog is a good match (stable, stimulating, etc.). Neels isn't 100% yet, we're still working on it, but we’re on the right track. A muzzle is a fantastic tool for introductions. It makes the meetings safe and, above all, it helps ME, the owner, to destress. That’s a big deal because I think my dog is an emotional sponge; when I’m stressed, he senses something’s wrong and adopts his chosen stress response: aggression. With the muzzle on, I can relax, and believe it or not, he senses it straight away. My takeaway: Neutering doesn’t fix the problem, but I think it helped take the edge off. Hard work pays off, and a competent behaviourist is a massive asset. We’re keeping at it and I’ll continue to give updates if anyone is interested.
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    Quite the adventure! ^^

    Regarding the market, he was probably already on edge (the crowds, the noise…) and the dog under the stall must have been the final straw. As a result, he wasn't in the mood to sniff other dogs at all. Perhaps try moving away to a quiet spot so he can calm down next time?

    As for the beach, you did the right thing by distracting Neels from what looked like a very tense situation (if you’d tried to grab him, it likely would have triggered him). However, he was clearly still stressed when it came to putting his lead back on—being restricted by a lead often makes dogs more nervous and prone to reactivity.

    About the local dog: putting a head or paws on another dog's back can be taken very badly in dog language, which explains Neels' reaction.

    And he seems to like the female! ^^ Mounting can happen regardless of gender; it’s not necessarily sexual (especially as they’ve been neutered ^^), it can just be down to play or over-excitement…

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    Right, I’m carrying on with my progress log.

    We’ve been away on holiday and Neels experienced loads of new things:

    - the beach

    - the sea and what happens when you drink a bit too much of it...

    - canoeing

    - wild camping out in the sticks

    - paddleboarding

    - night markets

    - sitting out at pubs and cafés

    -...

    Overall, everything went well, but there were a couple of times where Neels kicked off, and I wanted to share those with you:

    1/ At the market, in a really crowded area, there was a big dog hidden under a stall that startled him (I don’t know if it was a dog or a *****). Neels was scared at first (he jumped), but then he went for it! So, he didn’t exactly "react" out of the blue, but he responded quite aggressively. After that, he barked at every dog we passed in the market, whereas before that incident, he would just pull towards them.

    2/ On the beach, we met a Great Dane; Neels was off-lead and so was the other dog. The Great Dane went stiff and so did Neels, but he didn't dare do anything. However, his tail was right up in the air and his ears were alert. I encouraged him to keep moving to get out of what felt like a bit of a dodgy situation, and he followed me. Once we’d passed the Great Dane, I put Neels on his lead because we were coming up to an area where they have to be kept on-lead, and then—bang—he reacted, even though the Great Dane was already further away and completely out of reach. He only kicked off for about 3 seconds...

    3/ Back in our own neighbourhood, out for a walk in our usual spot, and we bumped into another entire male Aussie. Neels was off-lead and the other one was on a long lead. I let them have a sniff to see how it went while staying alert. The meeting seemed a bit tense, so I didn't hang about; I kept moving and called Neels to come with me. The other Shepherd, who didn't seem dominant, rested his head on Neels’ back and that’s when Neels lost it. The other dog moved off and Neels chased after him, but surprisingly, my recall worked first time.

    Another thing I found surprising: we spent a fortnight with some friends who also have a female Aussie. She’s spayed and eight months older than him, but smaller and slighter, and she completely dominated him. She was mounting him—yes, actually humping him as if they were both unneutered and the roles were reversed—and Neels didn’t bat an eyelid.

    As always, your comments are very welcome.

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