Aggressive Ragdoll kitten

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Hi everyone,

At the end of last year, we brought home Simon, a Ragdoll kitten. He was almost 4 months old at the time.

He settled into his new home very quickly. He seems very at ease and has plenty of toys and cardboard boxes to burn off energy and for teething; he's eating well too.

From the start, he had a tendency to nibble our fingers whenever we stroked him.

I used to give him a firm "no" while pointing my finger and would then ignore him for a bit.

However, he’s never stopped, and it’s actually getting worse and worse.

He's a very independent cat, not really the cuddly type... he never comes to sit on us or sleeps with us at night, for example. Occasionally, he’ll lie down near me while I’m reading on the sofa. I’m always delighted when he does, but if I stroke him gently for even three seconds, he flips over, grabs my hand with his paws and bites me.

Now, when I give him a firm "no" and point my finger, his ears go flat and he attacks me quite nastily...

He also goes for our feet and legs when we’re walking around the house.

We have never used our hands to play with him; we always use fishing-rod style toys.

It’s so frustrating and we just don’t understand it...

We’ve had 12 cats over the years, all adopted as kittens, and I’ve never encountered this problem before. I specifically chose to buy a Ragdoll because of their reputation for having a gentle nature and being very close to their owners.

I quickly asked the breeder for advice, but she said she didn't understand it and suggested I ignore him when he does it and wait for him to come to us.

That’s not working at all... he doesn't seem to need us for anything.

He’s five and a half months old now, and he's due to be neutered very soon.

I’m looking for any tips or pointers... we’re really at a loss with his behaviour. Thanks so much, Marianne

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    Good evening,

    I agree with the girls; in fact, I mentioned looking into health issues in my first post.

    This kind of periodic aggression reminds me of one of my cats, who was already quite old (he passed away at 16) and developed a form of senile dementia. I'd actually looked it up online and diagnosed him myself before taking him to the vet.

    Given Berlioz's age, it's definitely not senile dementia, anyway.

    It's clear the breeder didn't do their job properly, and I remember a similar thread a few months ago, but it was about a Maine Coon or Bengal kitten.

    Coughing as a symptom of a heart problem is quite rare in cats, but it is possible.

    Rather than wasting time and money, I'd suggest finding a clinic with well-equipped specialist vets who will be able to find out exactly what's wrong quickly, as an allergy diagnosis is often thrown around when they're not quite sure. :(

    Did you choose this kitten yourself before buying him? Did you not notice that he hadn't been socialised?

    I hope things improve. Please keep us updated.

    Liza

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    I agree with Blue Cat; a cough is definitely one of the signs of a heart condition. Once you’ve ruled out any health issues—and I really hope that’s the case—I think it might be worth seeing a veterinary behaviourist to try and improve their behaviour.

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    Hi again,

    A heart condition can cause both coughing AND aggression. But that’s just a theory for now!

    Asthma doesn’t cause aggression at all; I have an asthmatic cat myself.

    I definitely think Berlioz will need some more in-depth tests. Depending on the exact diagnosis, the vet will let you know if there’s a treatment or not. Don’t hesitate to look for another vet if you feel yours is being a bit dismissive...

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    Thanks so much for your reply Blue Cat, although I have to say, it hasn't put my mind at ease at all. :( I’m afraid a cardiac or neurological issue does seem quite likely, so we’re going to get the vet to run the necessary tests.

    If that is the case, what are the possible outcomes or how might it progress? Is there any treatment for this kind of thing? Perhaps the nervousness and the aggression are two completely unrelated issues in this case. I really hope we find some answers and, more importantly, some solutions; I’m worried sick about Berlioz.

    Oh, and I’ve just remembered something really important I forgot to mention: Berlioz regularly has these "coughing" or "sneezing" fits (though maybe a bit less often over the last four months). It’s very strange and really distressing when it happens—it looks as though he can’t breathe at all!!! The vet says it might be a form of asthma. Poor cat, he’s really going through it...

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    Hi there,

    I’ve read your post carefully. It’s possible that your cat has a neurological and/or cardiac issue. In both cases, cats can have sudden, inexplicable outbursts of aggression. Mind you, I’m no vet! A diagnosis would need to be confirmed through proper tests. For neurological concerns, there is a physical exam involving various manual and vocal tests, but not all vets are trained to do it. For the heart, you'd be looking at more expensive scans. These outbursts that specifically target your mum could well align with a neurological problem. The cat isn't as bonded to her as he is to you, and in his confusion, he redirects his aggression towards the human he feels least close to. When there are several cats in a house, it’s usually another cat that bears the brunt of it—it’s called ‘redirected aggression’.

    With backstreet breeders, kittens often suffer from ‘sensory deprivation’ during their first few months, which leaves them nervous and confused (often for life). My mum’s dog suffers from this exact issue, though without any aggression; we actually saw a pet behaviourist about it last Saturday. What you mentioned about him being startled by every little noise at the start makes me think the breeder didn't do their job at all regarding socialisation with humans and household noises. That said, the fact that these outbursts started relatively recently doesn't quite point in that direction.

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    To give a bit more background about my cat Berlioz:

    He came to us at 4 months old, already neutered. Very quickly we noticed he was quite nervous — the sort of cat who's frightened of everything and jumps at the slightest noise. He's always meowed a lot (nothing like the breed description, which portrays Ragdolls as being "quiet"), as though he constantly needs something. When he does it, I try to work out what he wants (is he hungry? does he want to play?) but often I just can't figure it out, which really bothers me.

    He also has a tendency to scratch himself excessively (again, this started early on), to the point where he regularly hurts himself. The vet thinks it's stress-related and/or allergies, so we give him a special dry food that helps reduce the itching. It doesn't stop him from hurting himself though, so during the periods when he's scratching too much, we've taken to plugging in a Feliway diffuser, which generally helps a little. He also has a sort of compulsive habit where he'll suddenly dart after his tail to lick or nibble it, for no reason we can work out. :(

    He's very playful and incredibly energetic — a proper little bundle of energy! We've got loads of different toys at home, which we rotate regularly. I work from home, so I'm always around, and I give him a lot of attention and affection. He loves being stroked (well, mostly by me — he's far less keen with my mum) but he never sits on laps. He sleeps with me almost every night and follows me everywhere, crying at the bathroom door the moment I go in.

    The aggression started creeping in gradually around the time he turned 3, and it's always directed at my mum. The attacks initially happened in the evenings, but now they happen in the mornings too. For example, my mum will be sitting at her desk working, and he'll come and bite her on the calves — sometimes really hard — then get himself into a right state (harsh yowling, tail lashing, ears flat, dilated pupils) and seem like he wants to launch himself at her. I have to step in to calm him down, and it's got to the point where my mum is now scared to be left alone with him.

    He only attacked me once — one morning, right after he'd gone for my mum. I didn't recognise him at all; he seemed absolutely wild, and I had to shut him out on the balcony for him to calm down... I was genuinely frightened that time, for myself but especially for him. What on earth is happening to him?

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    @Ulalie: That’s strange, we were told the complete opposite :( @Lyzzza: He was already neutered when we got him at four months old. I was surprised he’d been neutered so young, but we decided to just trust them... now I’m starting to have my doubts. He’s always been skittish, anxious even, and very vocal right from the start. The aggression started about six months ago, gradually. At first, he’d go for my mum in the evening once a month, then every week... now it’s every day. After 9 pm, she can’t even move around the house without him attacking her. He always has food available, though... the vet suggested using a Feliway plug-in and some homeopathy for a month. It’s been nearly a fortnight now and his behaviour still hasn’t improved. :( We’re going back to see the vet early next week.
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    Hi,

    Is he neutered?

    Has he always been aggressive? He’s 4 years old now, and I assume you’ve had him since he was a 3-month-old kitten.

    Have you had the vet check him over? He might be in pain or have an underlying health issue.

    "When a cat that is usually affectionate and gentle suddenly becomes aggressive and violent towards their owner, this behaviour is known as 'tiger syndrome'. The animal becomes almost unrecognisable to the point of being dangerous. While there are various causes, the link to hunger is the most prominent."

    https://jardinage.lemonde.fr/dossier-2192-syndrome-tigre-chat.html

    Looking forward to hearing from you,

    Liza

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    This feedback only confirms what I was told when I was looking for a Ragdoll or a Birman before I got my Persians—that Ragdolls can actually be aggressive. I really thought they were the ultimate "doll cat", so it came as quite a surprise, but I met a Ragdoll breeder who confirmed it too. They are independent cats that don't like being stroked; you just have to respect that and be content with them just being nearby, though it is a bit frustrating really. What’s so misleading is that they’re supposedly famous for being easy to handle, but it seems that’s just not the case for every one of them. Having said that, we probably shouldn't generalise; in my humble opinion, it likely all depends on the bloodlines.
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    Hi everyone, I have a 4-year-old Ragdoll who is becoming increasingly aggressive; he’s now attacking my mum every single day, morning and night. He jumps at her legs, making these deep, rasping meows while lashing his tail really hard, with his ears pinned back... He’s a boy who isn't particularly cuddly (though he does have his sweet moments during the day), he’s very anxious, and he meows constantly. He behaves quite strangely around other cats: he’s desperate to get near them, even running after ones he doesn't know, but it isn't actually aggressive – he mainly wants to sniff them and nip at their back legs, without any of the hissing or typical signs of feline aggression. Other cats don't really know how to deal with him. :( The breeder isn't responding to me; I've been leaving emails and voicemails. I’m starting to doubt how professional she is and I’m terrified my Ragdoll wasn't socialised properly as a kitten. Reading the posts above has really set off alarm bells – is it possible we used the same breeder? I’m hesitant to name the cattery here because I don't want to give them a bad name when I'm not 100% sure the problem is down to her... I’m really hoping for some help, as I’m so worried about my cat and for my mum, who is at the end of her tether.
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