Our stray cat has moved her kittens: HELP

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Hi everyone,

For a few months now, a stray cat has taken up residence in our garden. She comes for food, rests in the conservatory, sometimes pops into the kitchen, and lets us stroke her, but not much more than that. She’ll stay in our arms for a few seconds (we’re trying to get her used to humans).

About three weeks ago, she gave birth in secret in our garage. We only discovered the little ones after two and a half weeks.

The cat noticed that we’d seen her kittens (they are adorable, obviously), and everything was going fine. We were able to stroke her while she was nursing and even touch the kittens a bit (just to check they were okay).

Yesterday, we moved the whole little family with their cosy cardboard box to a corner inside the house because of the heatwave. This change didn’t seem to bother the kittens or the mother at all. She’s eating, nursing, coming and going, and lets us stroke her kittens.

We want to get her spayed to avoid any more litters. Out of the 5 kittens, we’re planning on keeping one (who had a sticky eye that we’re treating with an ointment prescribed by the vet) and finding good homes for the others.

To get things ready, we even managed to briefly pick up the kittens to take some nice photos and started telling people we know about them.

This morning, the kittens were very lively and starting to want to climb out of the box to explore the world.

But PROBLEM!!!!!!: the cat "slyly" moved all her kittens during the morning without us noticing, and she’s hidden them somewhere outside... However, she’s still coming back as usual to eat and ask for strokes.

Besides the fact that we’re (really) gutted, we’re wondering why she might have moved them... Was she scared of something?

We don’t know what to do!!! How can we treat the kitten with the bad eye if we can’t get to it anymore?

Is there any chance the kittens will come back once they’re older? Will they have gone feral again?

Thanks in advance for your replies, we’re really at a loss...

(And sorry for the wall of text!)

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    But this is her 4th litter and the first time she’s done this 😕😔😯 4th litter.... The poor thing... Keep on at your parents to get her spayed... Before she dies of exhaustion from spending her whole life giving birth...
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    This is her fourth litter, yet it's the first time she's ever done this 😕😔😯
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    Hi everyone, my cat Snow has had 5 kittens and they’re all doing really well, but yesterday she moved one of the babies into my sister’s room and then this morning she moved three of them. I’m not really sure what to do, I’m only 12 and my parents aren't bothered, so please can you help me? 😣
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    Hi everyone, Thanks so much for your replies!!! We’re going to try and follow all the advice so that the kittens and their mum are as comfortable as possible! We’re so relieved the mum hasn’t "kept us away" from the little ones. We would have been heartbroken. We were probably a bit too intrusive, I think. (I forgot to mention that we have a neutered male cat who is almost 2. We realised a bit too late that with the house being his territory, the mum probably didn’t feel the babies were safe). We’ll be careful. She’s given us a bit of a telling-off this time by giving us a scare, but she still likes us really – she didn’t hide them too far away. Thanks again!
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    Brilliant advice and really thorough. Nothing to add! I hope you follow everything Greylox and Howcat have written.
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    I reckon moving the box is what prompted the mum to move them again. Your house isn't her territory yet, so she doesn't feel quite secure enough there just yet. If she lets you stroke her and you've been able to handle the kittens over the last three weeks without her moving them, it means she doesn't see you as a threat or a nuisance. As long as the mum doesn't seem wary of you, I’d actually suggest you keep visiting the kittens regularly to make sure they don't end up becoming too feral. Try to pop in when they aren't sleeping or nursing, though. Make sure you're handling them the right way—only touch them to give them a stroke and don’t use your hands as toys. That way, they’ll associate hands with affection rather than prey! When they’re a bit older (around a month or six weeks), you can try hand-feeding them a bit of moistened kitten dry food as a treat. You can also start introducing high-quality moistened kitten dry food to get them used to it; actually, that’s exactly what you should be feeding a nursing mum anyway, so don’t hesitate to buy some now as it's very high in protein. Don't separate them from their mum until they are at least three months old. The people who eventually adopt them will thank you for it, as the kittens will be much more well-adjusted and fully weaned. Just keep in mind that keeping a kitten with its mum can occasionally (and I stress *occasionally*) cause issues—some mums take the weaning process very literally!—but the fact that you have a garden will limit any risks as their territory will be much larger. I know of a semi-feral mum who lived her whole life with two of her litters that had grown into adults nearby, and she’d come to see them every day without any trouble at all.
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    UPDATE:

    The mum has moved her kittens back into another box in the garage where they were originally.

    (So they haven't gone missing after all) ... PHEW!

    We’re thinking of continuing to pop into the garage to see them every now and then, while perhaps giving them a bit more peace and quiet, and continuing to handle them a little just so they don't lose that human contact.

    Is there anything else we can do to make sure the mother cat doesn't move them again? (And this time for good?)

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    Thanks for your reply.

    We’ll definitely do that. There’s no shortage of little hiding spots in our garden, and some of them are even well sheltered. We’re going to set up a new nesting box and see if she’s willing to bring them back to us.

    As for getting her neutered, the neighbours really need to get on board too. When this cat was in heat, there were four of them in our garden!

    We’ll have a word with them about it anyway.

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    Hi there, Keep your ears peeled for the kittens' meowing – your hearing is your best tool here. If you can, try setting up a new nesting spot outdoors in a quiet but accessible area; it might encourage her to bring her kittens back to that spot. Edit: Don't hesitate to get your neighbours involved. If you point out that you’re planning to take care of the kittens and get the mum spayed, they’ll likely be more than happy to help you out.
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    We can give it a go, but it might be a bit tricky. Our garden is surrounded by thickets, shrubs and the neighbours' gardens...
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